Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-30-2015 | 06:12 AM
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For example, while I still hate the 30 day summer months, in the "good ol' days" of whatever era you choose to dredge up, any month in which a reserve had vacation, mil leave, etc, they got hosed and hosed good. You could have your big week or more summer vacation, and the company could fly you to ALV in the three (or less) weeks remaining!
Now we all have our own personal level of a reserve being full for those months with VTS. That is a big, big improvement to the contract.
I haven't even gotten into the 5.15 ADG that applies to both regular and reserve. That is probably the biggest "concession" that the company has ever given us and it all stemmed from the Part 117 side letter. Please acknowledge that as well.
04-30-2015 | 06:34 AM
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717s were coming anyway negotiations should only cover pay rates on any new plane...not whether the plane is being bought.
Profit sharing funded "raises" all other increases were inflation adjustments to bankruptcy rates.
The company now does have more planes than at the merger, in numbers. There are significantly fewer of the biggest jets.
Hiring frenzy is at least 80% a result of retirements...compare post merger to current day.
30 day months account for a 3% manning cut.
DALPA neither demanded or got anything except furlough protections. They only got lucky with a smokey back room promise of growth vis a vis 717s. They caved hard on scope.
Our gauge is smaller.
New hires, don't get caught up in what happened before you got here. Whether it is better than the military or your last regional/airline has nothing to do with whether concessions occurred. We have fallen far. It was way better before, do not be afraid to vote it back to how it was and should be.
I am sure I have left some things out that were clear concessions in my view. Did some good come? Absolutely. Not nearly enough.
04-30-2015 | 06:44 AM
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Assumptions going in:
717s were coming anyway negotiations should only cover pay rates on any new plane...not whether the plane is being bought.
Profit sharing funded "raises" all other increases were inflation adjustments to bankruptcy rates.
The company now does have more planes than at the merger, in numbers. There are significantly fewer of the biggest jets.
Hiring frenzy is at least 80% a result of retirements...compare post merger to current day.
30 day months account for a 3% manning cut.
DALPA neither demanded or got anything except furlough protections. They only got lucky with a smokey back room promise of growth vis a vis 717s. They caved hard on scope.
Our gauge is smaller.
New hires, don't get caught up in what happened before you got here. Whether it is better than the military or your last regional/airline has nothing to do with whether concessions occurred. We have fallen far. It was way better before, do not be afraid to vote it back to how it was and should be.
I am sure I have left some things out that were clear concessions in my view. Did some good come? Absolutely. Not nearly enough.
717s were coming anyway negotiations should only cover pay rates on any new plane...not whether the plane is being bought.
Profit sharing funded "raises" all other increases were inflation adjustments to bankruptcy rates.
The company now does have more planes than at the merger, in numbers. There are significantly fewer of the biggest jets.
Hiring frenzy is at least 80% a result of retirements...compare post merger to current day.
30 day months account for a 3% manning cut.
DALPA neither demanded or got anything except furlough protections. They only got lucky with a smokey back room promise of growth vis a vis 717s. They caved hard on scope.
Our gauge is smaller.
New hires, don't get caught up in what happened before you got here. Whether it is better than the military or your last regional/airline has nothing to do with whether concessions occurred. We have fallen far. It was way better before, do not be afraid to vote it back to how it was and should be.
I am sure I have left some things out that were clear concessions in my view. Did some good come? Absolutely. Not nearly enough.
As far as big airplanes we don't control the fleet plan. As of 31 June 15 we will be down a net of two large airframes. Widebody block hours however which is the key to jobs are up.
04-30-2015 | 07:02 AM
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I don't know the about manning on a macro scale, but I just finished an 88 hour domestic reserve month because of the +15 hour concession, which was sold as a help to the company in international categories. It affected my wife's manning 
04-30-2015 | 07:05 AM
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Standing by for Sailing to quote the contract surveys......
04-30-2015 | 07:09 AM
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Yes.... So where exactly are those survey results???
04-30-2015 | 07:21 AM
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Working to FAR max rocks!!!
04-30-2015 | 07:33 AM
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Assumptions going in:
717s were coming anyway negotiations should only cover pay rates on any new plane...not whether the plane is being bought.
?88 717s would come anyway...and quickly... to overfly RJ routes while still operating the RJs? Capacity purchase agreements weren't real? And RA tooo dumb to have plan B. Wouldn't rehab old jets? Nope, never done that before...
Profit sharing funded "raises" all other increases were inflation adjustments to bankruptcy rates.
?Pilots portion of 125M funded 20% increase in payrates?
The company now does have more planes than at the merger, in numbers. There are significantly fewer of the biggest jets.
?Biggest change in big jets? 747-200s which were toast? Older 767s going. No real replacement available for 757s except 739/321.
Hiring frenzy is at least 80% a result of retirements...compare post merger to current day.
Retirements are just starting. Standby for more hiring.
30 day months account for a 3% manning cut.
? I don't know. Show math please!
DALPA neither demanded or got anything except furlough protections. They only got lucky with a smokey back room promise of growth vis a vis 717s. They caved hard on scope.
?...neither demanded or got anything? This is utter nonsense.
Our gauge is smaller.
?We don't control fleet plan. Lottsa markets upguaged to mainline 717 vs RJ. Shoulda got 76 seaters on mainline... maybe as furlough protection. Some widebodies retireing. 60 on order.
New hires, don't get caught up in what happened before you got here. Whether it is better than the military or your last regional/airline has nothing to do with whether concessions occurred. We have fallen far. It was way better before, do not be afraid to vote it back to how it was and should be.
I'm gonna actually agree. Things aren't as good as they used to be. A lot has happened in my almost 30 year career. Anyone who thinks they'll have a 30 year career with zero changes or adaptations to the business or your contracts is delusional. Its life. Most recently the entire industry went bankrupt. We had to adapt. We've now adapted and C15 needs to be pretty good.
I am sure I have left some things out that were clear concessions in my view. Did some good come? Absolutely. Not nearly enough.
717s were coming anyway negotiations should only cover pay rates on any new plane...not whether the plane is being bought.
?88 717s would come anyway...and quickly... to overfly RJ routes while still operating the RJs? Capacity purchase agreements weren't real? And RA tooo dumb to have plan B. Wouldn't rehab old jets? Nope, never done that before...
Profit sharing funded "raises" all other increases were inflation adjustments to bankruptcy rates.
?Pilots portion of 125M funded 20% increase in payrates?
The company now does have more planes than at the merger, in numbers. There are significantly fewer of the biggest jets.
?Biggest change in big jets? 747-200s which were toast? Older 767s going. No real replacement available for 757s except 739/321.
Hiring frenzy is at least 80% a result of retirements...compare post merger to current day.
Retirements are just starting. Standby for more hiring.
30 day months account for a 3% manning cut.
? I don't know. Show math please!
DALPA neither demanded or got anything except furlough protections. They only got lucky with a smokey back room promise of growth vis a vis 717s. They caved hard on scope.
?...neither demanded or got anything? This is utter nonsense.
Our gauge is smaller.
?We don't control fleet plan. Lottsa markets upguaged to mainline 717 vs RJ. Shoulda got 76 seaters on mainline... maybe as furlough protection. Some widebodies retireing. 60 on order.
New hires, don't get caught up in what happened before you got here. Whether it is better than the military or your last regional/airline has nothing to do with whether concessions occurred. We have fallen far. It was way better before, do not be afraid to vote it back to how it was and should be.
I'm gonna actually agree. Things aren't as good as they used to be. A lot has happened in my almost 30 year career. Anyone who thinks they'll have a 30 year career with zero changes or adaptations to the business or your contracts is delusional. Its life. Most recently the entire industry went bankrupt. We had to adapt. We've now adapted and C15 needs to be pretty good.
I am sure I have left some things out that were clear concessions in my view. Did some good come? Absolutely. Not nearly enough.
04-30-2015 | 08:08 AM
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I understand it sucks to work 88 hours on reserve, my sympathies. That being said, I think it would be constructive for ALPA to put out just how many reservists have flown over ALV in the last three years, broken down for domestic and international. I understand the long international trip argument, but I think it is abusive domestically when it is so easy for schedulers to break up trips.
FWIW, I have never seen anybody over 80 hours on the reserve available list in my category. For tomorrow in MSP, these are the hours flown to date: 36/20/3/46/31/32/42/38/42/38/16/67/36/45.
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04-30-2015 | 08:36 AM
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