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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
(Post 1888064)
Interesting. A company that made $4billion in profits, yet gave 25% of that to the employees. Not the owners, the employees. How would you, if you were management, reconcile that? How would you, as an owner, justify it? Now before you get your panties all twisted, I am not advocating for any kind of concessions or anything of the kind. I am really hoping for an adult conversation about the business as to how those that are saying "just say no" can tell me that with those numbers I will be able to get more of the pie. If you want to flame and call me a surrender monkey, then please save the electrons.
You make the point that the profit sharing check is getting pretty sizable. Well that's because A. the company is making a ton of money and B. we negotiated it and the company turned around and gave it to the rest of the employees. I don't fault them for that. If they hadn't then there very well may have been more unions on property now. They want to correct that and they could unilaterally change, not get rid of, the profit sharing for all but the 13,000 pilots that paid for it. I'm not advocating for that as I like coming to work with happy people and that would surely make an us against them mentality. How do you think that would go and how much would that save the company? The really funny thing is that evey year, when the PS checks come out, I have an FA ask "Do you guys get PS too?" |
Originally Posted by UGBSM
(Post 1888129)
No, I made $278k. But if I made that on our lowest paying equipment Im sure our more senior captains made $300k or better.
My point is that we have a very senior pilot group with the majority approaching retirement age. That is going to flavor the next couple of contracts. And pay % may not be at the top of everyones wish list. And I doubt those approaching retirement are going to want to drag out negotiations for many years entertaining unreasonable contract demands from the just say NO crowd. So yes, the time value of money is more important the older you are I would say. |
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Does the language in our contract, regarding PS, effect the PS of all delta employees?
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I have read that the pilots get 1/3 of PS. Does anyone know where this is writen?
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Originally Posted by DALMD88FO
(Post 1888257)
I'm not a "just say no" kind of guy, however I will say no if you touch my profit sharing as part of why I'm getting any kind of raise. If they want to cash in profit sharing after section 3 then I'll be more than happy to take a look at it.
You make the point that the profit sharing check is getting pretty sizable. Well that's because A. the company is making a ton of money and B. we negotiated it and the company turned around and gave it to the rest of the employees. I don't fault them for that. If they hadn't then there very well may have been more unions on property now. They want to correct that and they could unilaterally change, not get rid of, the profit sharing for all but the 13,000 pilots that paid for it. I'm not advocating for that as I like coming to work with happy people and that would surely make an us against them mentality. How do you think that would go and how much would that save the company? The really funny thing is that evey year, when the PS checks come out, I have an FA ask "Do you guys get PS too?" Including FAs. |
Originally Posted by seamonster
(Post 1888292)
Does the language in our contract, regarding PS, effect the PS of all delta employees?
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Originally Posted by seamonster
(Post 1888294)
I have read that the pilots get 1/3 of PS. Does anyone know where this is writen?
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Originally Posted by seamonster
(Post 1888295)
If a "TA" has a change to PS does it then change all D employees PS?
Including FAs. |
Originally Posted by DALMD88FO
(Post 1888302)
It doesn't have to, but history (C2012) says it does. Are you an FA?
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