Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1888064)

Interesting. A company that made $4billion in profits, yet gave 25% of that to the employees. Not the owners, the employees. How would you, if you were management, reconcile that? How would you, as an owner, justify it? Now before you get your panties all twisted, I am not advocating for any kind of concessions or anything of the kind. I am really hoping for an adult conversation about the business as to how those that are saying "just say no" can tell me that with those numbers I will be able to get more of the pie. If you want to flame and call me a surrender monkey, then please save the electrons.

Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1888062)

Define substandard as it applies to ALL pilots. I guarantee you that there are probably 5 or 6 if not thousands of different opinions as to what would constitute substandard. It is pure arrogance and naivete to believe that YOUR opinion defines what is "substandard" for everyone. As I have gotten older, my priorities have changed. And as much as you want to bloviate to the contrary about it, yours will too.

Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1888064)

A company that made $4billion in profits, yet gave 25% of that to the employees. Not the owners, the employees. How would you, if you were management, reconcile that? How would you, as an owner, justify it?

Originally Posted by UGBSM (Post 1887993)

"Just say NO until I get what I want is not a strategy". Not a wise or mature one anyway. You young guys can wait all you want, but with over half the seniority list over age 50 I doubt that will be very popular. You were at least right when you said the worst they can do is park us. Don't want that. Ill take a reasonable contract sooner rather than waste year after year swinging for the fences.

But Im not Babe Ruth like you are. Except you don't seem to realize that you don't have a stick to swing with.

Look around. Nobody gets to strike anymore. PEB is what you can expect. Threat of labor unrest? Inflatable rat? Puhleez.

We have an opportunity to make solid gains if we are realistic. Fortunately the majority of Delta pilots are sensible about these things, because the majority have been around long enough to see many, many, contract negotiations.

I'm not interested in holding my breath until I turn blue. That didn't work when I was 0-5, and it won't work when I'm 5-0.

Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1888064)

Interesting. A company that made $4billion in profits, yet gave 25% of that to the employees. Not the owners, the employees. How would you, if you were management, reconcile that? How would you, as an owner, justify it?

Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1888064)

If you want to flame and call me a surrender monkey, then please save the electrons.

Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 1888083)

Ok. So we've established that you are officially a DALPA cheerleader.

Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1888037)

Myopic: 3. lacking tolerance or understanding; narrow-minded.

Describes you aptly. That's coming from someone from the 50 and older demographic that you characterize according to your own personal perceptions of yourself. It's extremely arrogant to believe that everyone else subscribes to your beliefs.

Now that we have established that:

Saying NO to a substandard TENTATIVE agreement is not only a strategy but a necessity. It's not holding ones breath and stomping their feet in a tantrum until they get what they want.

It's business and just that.

If it doesn't meet OUR collective needs, it needs to be sent back with direction and clear information as to why and how it needs to be modified.

Afraid of getting "parked" !?!

Ignorant statement at best, more a proclamation designed to fan the flames of FUD, especially with the exaggerative description wasting "year after year swinging for the fences."

Who exactly are you so terrified of getting parked by? Again, tell us when the amendable date of the current contract is?






Again, your ignorance is glaring.

First, your perceptions about PEBs are wrong. They don't preclude a strike at all. 100% wrong.

Furthermore, a strike isn't the leverage that works in a situation like this anyway. However, then again you know that. Perhaps if you don't, be rest as sutured that 98 percent of the pilots at Delta do know that.

Finally, where you have completely come off the rails is your idea of reasonable.

Another 4-8-3-3 quick TVM cram down is NOT reasonable in this revenue and profit environment. Particularly when it's coupled with the glaring fact that our BK concessions have not been restored after a whole decade.

Solid gains are what the pilots reasonably want as indicated by our survey responses. It IS realistic to achieve them, quite notably now that Delta has determined that they have enough free cash flow to reward the share holders and the share holding management folks with $ 6 billion dollars in share buy backs and dividends.

Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1888088)

Naw. I'm not sure about DALPA.

Probably a company desk dweller. Or, management pilot, flight ops type.

Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 1888090)

Ok. That's what I wanted to say but failed to do so as eloquently as you. Well done.



This is what DALPA does right before and during the TA vote...they know they haven't met our expectations so they try scaring us into voting yes for fear of the unknown/arbitrators, etc. we don't know how things will shake out because we've never sent anything back by voting no.



I'm happy to find out if this TA isn't exceptional.

Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 1888083)

Ok. So we've established that you are officially a DALPA cheerleader.

You want reasonable gains now vs. fighting for what we've given to this company for the past 12 years to help them get to where they are financially right now. They want to give 5 Billion to stock buy backs to boost the share price but they don't want to give 1 billion back to us in contract gains as a thank you for your continued hard work?

Well I say, you are entitled to your position....but so am I. I've been here 15 years and have 21 years left...if I stay to 65. This is the first and last chance to get back even 1/10th of what we've given and you want me to be happy with your definition of reasonable? As TSquare said, there are 5 or 6 or 1000 different definitions of what is reasonable. And I'm certain my definition of reasonable is quite different than yours.

You go tell your masters that if this contract isn't ground breaking, some changes are going to occur with regards to our union representation.