Myopic: 3. lacking tolerance or understanding; narrow-minded.

Describes you aptly. That's coming from someone from the 50 and older demographic that you characterize according to your own personal perceptions of yourself. It's extremely arrogant to believe that everyone else subscribes to your beliefs.

Now that we have established that:

Saying NO to a substandard TENTATIVE agreement is not only a strategy but a necessity. It's not holding ones breath and stomping their feet in a tantrum until they get what they want.

It's business and just that.

If it doesn't meet OUR collective needs, it needs to be sent back with direction and clear information as to why and how it needs to be modified.

Afraid of getting "parked" !?!

Ignorant statement at best, more a proclamation designed to fan the flames of FUD, especially with the exaggerative description wasting "year after year swinging for the fences."

Who exactly are you so terrified of getting parked by? Again, tell us when the amendable date of the current contract is?




Again, your ignorance is glaring.

First, your perceptions about PEBs are wrong. They don't preclude a strike at all. 100% wrong.

Furthermore, a strike isn't the leverage that works in a situation like this anyway. However, then again you know that. Perhaps if you don't, be rest as sutured that 98 percent of the pilots at Delta do know that.

Finally, where you have completely come off the rails is your idea of reasonable.

Another 4-8-3-3 quick TVM cram down is NOT reasonable in this revenue and profit environment. Particularly when it's coupled with the glaring fact that our BK concessions have not been restored after a whole decade.

Solid gains are what the pilots reasonably want as indicated by our survey responses. It IS realistic to achieve them, quite notably now that Delta has determined that they have enough free cash flow to reward the share holders and the share holding management folks with $ 6 billion dollars in share buy backs and dividends.

Flamer, we're not bargaining for a used car. Your strategy of always voting no on the "first" deal is naive. Sending back an agreement between mgmt and the MEC doesn't make things "better", it just rearranges the deck chairs. That is negotiating.

I've seen lots and lots of guys like you. Angry at ALPA. Angry at the company. Angry at everyone who doesn't see the value in a puffed up, testosterone filled, confrontation.

Im tired of that. And you're wrong, it's not healthy for any relationship. Check with your wife or mother in law if you don't believe me.

While you are at it, check with all your fellow pilots with 5 to 10 years left (i.e. most of us) and see how accommodating they are to a long drawn out "horsepower" contest. And check with any former AirTran and Comair pilots about how you can really "show 'em" by being stubborn.

I say all this only because I've seen your kind of crusading in advanceof the facts before, and I know how it turns out.

So, you present that as an absolute hard fact. Then back it up with some sort of example or proof and be sure to document or footnote your work. Furthermore, I submit that you are completely wrong on that statement.

Why do you suppose that is?

Is surrender a strategy?

Worked for the French.

If not now,.never.

What would Richard do?

He is one of the most skilled negotiators we have ever seen. The same surrender monkeys on this forum brag about how cheaply we get our aircraft as Richard plays Boeing against Airbus.

Let me promise you if Richard was MEC chairman we would get 25% plus 1/1/16 without touching PS. As well as the rest of the gains we deserve.

Why the worshipers can't immulate him is beyond me.

The post rambled a bit more than I would have liked. I will rephrase it later, but thanks for reading. :)

I'm not negotiating with my mother in law, and this ain't AirTran. This is a 5+ B$ a year Co with the cash to return 6Bil in 30 months. Keep that in mind when you see the TA. DAL is waaaay more interested in keeping stock price high than comair and AT ever were. Think about that too.

You keep falling for the FUD campaign and vote for 0/0/0/0. I don't GAS. Just know you will be leaving money on the table and harming your fellow pilots and unionism overall.

I am prepared to vote either way. Sounds like you already have your yes vote loaded. At least you don't have to worry about "showing them" and being stubborn.

Mother in law analogy. Classic.

Define substandard as it applies to ALL pilots. I guarantee you that there are probably 5 or 6 if not thousands of different opinions as to what would constitute substandard. It is pure arrogance and naivete to believe that YOUR opinion defines what is "substandard" for everyone. As I have gotten older, my priorities have changed. And as much as you want to bloviate to the contrary about it, yours will too.

Interesting. A company that made $4billion in profits, yet gave 25% of that to the employees. Not the owners, the employees. How would you, if you were management, reconcile that? How would you, as an owner, justify it? Now before you get your panties all twisted, I am not advocating for any kind of concessions or anything of the kind. I am really hoping for an adult conversation about the business as to how those that are saying "just say no" can tell me that with those numbers I will be able to get more of the pie. If you want to flame and call me a surrender monkey, then please save the electrons.

We got 25% of PTIX? I thought we got ~16.7% last year?

Nope....i appreciate your comments. I would say a contract is a contract. If the intent was to give workers profit sharing only as a token of good will with the expectation of never having to pay a significant amount then I would say that was an incorrect assessment and fairly onerous. The company tried to buy low and sell high with the PS payments. It backfired. Now, it is looking like (for the second contract in a row) we are going to be tricked into buying high and selling low.

For another thread, but it's an American problem. Paying shareholders and execs ludicrous amounts of money is fine (even during no profits).....but giving a fraction of ONLY THE PROFITS to employees is not cool.

So personally, I don't care what wall st thinks about our PS. Actually I don't think they care about it as much as the union and mgt want you to think they care about it. But I understand it is a concern.