Airline Pilot Central Forums - Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

I'm hesitant to constructively engage here (see what I did?--do you? because its like the company 'Delta'...and the way the union 'DALPA' supposedly work together? Do you get it now?) Anyway, I was told the best jokes were the ones you have to explain a lot.

Nevertheless, I call your attention to the BOLD words above. The BOLD words above are where to I call your attention all! Timbo, brother...buddy! If you had a time machine all along you could have just said. There is all sorts of stuff we could do! Kill Hitler (duh!?), go see what all the fuss about the Helen of Troy chick was, get in on some of the VJ day action in New York (little hot grandmas at 21 time travel action!) and then we could go be pilots at Pan Am together in 1961. Leave all this muck and mire of the TA behind.

But on the off chance you don't have a time machine...WHY ARE YOU SCARED OF SOMETHING THAT HASN'T HAPPENED?

Unless you have a TA that I don't (and I don't have a TA....T&A, maybe...I'll check my browser history)...we don't know if there are concessions or huge paydays ahead. Live in the now my friend. Live. In. The. Now.

Let's debate the TA once we have one. Not disasterize (I made that word up, like it?) what we don't know yet.

But seriously if you do have a time machine I really really want to do some stuff.

What I'm afraid of is history repeating itself, a repeat of C2012.

But we'll see if we have a T/A full of concessions by June 1, won't we? :rolleyes:

forgot to bid

05-26-2015 11:18 AM

I'm going to go all posiposter here.

I think it's 9 DOS + 9/5/5/5.
No changes to RJ scope.
Wins on WB scope and more jobs.
No changes to PS.

So basically, an average annual flight pay increase over the life of the contract of around:

$75K for 330A
$66K for 7ERA
$60K for 717A
$50K for 330B
$45K for 7ERB
$40K for 717B

Now with PS at 20%, by 2019 a total W2 excluding 401K:

330A would be around $398K,
7ERA would be around $350K,
717A would be around $300K,
330B around $270K,
7ERB around $240K,
717B around $210K.

Fair. I think. No? Best part is, all the improved WB scope will mean movement up for everyone. So just jump up to that next category.

I don't think the MEC would pass anything less than that.

TenYearsGone

05-26-2015 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1889141)

What I'm afraid of is history repeating itself, a repeat of C2012.

But we'll see if we have a T/A full of concessions by June 1, won't we? :rolleyes:

Timbo, Jerry, Carl, P. Farrell, London, Sol..The new MEC..GO DALPA!!!!

TEN

Professor

05-26-2015 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1889141)

What I'm afraid of is history repeating itself, a repeat of C2012.

But we'll see if we have a T/A full of concessions by June 1, won't we? :rolleyes:

Don't be scared man. Fear, as Yoda said, "is baaaad, mmmmkaaay?"
Wait. I may be mixing genres. I did just spend a lot of time near cosmic radiation.

Anyway, you get my point.

Yoda was kind of a d1ck.

Here's to all of us getting what we want for Christmas. Or whenever the TA comes out.

forgot to bid

05-26-2015 11:23 AM

FTB Attempt #2

Operator
We’ll take our next question from [random reporter] from Bloomberg News.

Random Reporter - Bloomberg News
Hi, folks. Can you talk a little bit about how you’re going to afford that new pilot contract?

Richard Anderson
Hi, the contract is cost neutral. We really didn't think that would be possible with these massive profits but we were surprised at how quickly and easily we got the pilots to take productivity, scope, sick leave and profit sharing concessions for pay raises. We actually expect our costs to go down.

Ed Bastian
And, I must say it was pretty awesome.

Random Reporter - Bloomberg News
Sure. Okay. Thank you.

/FTB negiposter

Timbo

05-26-2015 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1889148)

That's about right, and exactly what he said after C2012. 2% seems to be the Wall Street allowable cost increase number, so I expect that's what Richard will tell them (again). He can point to the concessions and say they will offset the raises.

Now, can we talk about the Billions they blew in the Fuel Hedging Dept? :rolleyes:

BenderRodriguez

05-26-2015 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1889152)

Now, can we talk about the Billions they blew in the Fuel Hedging Dept? :rolleyes:

Sure. Let's do. If we don't hedge, we pay spot price. Dougie looks like a genius doing that since crude fell off a cliff. Had it not done so, he would be paying way more than everybody else. Since we have the refinery, we still have an advantage Dougie is I am not mistaken. It's a cost of doing business, nothing nefarious or inept to see here other than some bad timing.:rolleyes:

forgot to bid

05-26-2015 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1889152)

$1.2B I believe in 2015. About $100K per pilot.

I wish they'd let me blow that kind of money on me. I'd buy a lot of Legos. And a Cessna 152.

Sink r8

05-26-2015 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1888995)

Keep in mind most of those leaks are coming from people who are purporting concessions and go on to defend/justify the need for them.

The majority of those posters have only been on here a few days as well.

My question is WHY would any of our pilots attempt to defend or attack a TA that currently is nothing more than loose rumor or vague innuendo?

FWIW, I couldn't agree more with your other thread that these rumors do cost us money and gains.

I think your question about lining up for/against a TA that's not on the table is valid and pertinent. There is something wrong with lining up on either side of it in advance. You're an observant guy, also a guy skeptical of any sales-jobs. I think that's the reason you've commented mostly on guys appearing on one side of the "debate". There have been a lot of new posters on here lately, and up until recently, they all dovetailed far more into the "early rejection" side than the "early acceptance" camp. From my viewpoint, there has been a ton of deliberate, premature commentary designed specifically to set up some reps to look like heroes, others to look like villains. We can do a little post hunting if you want examples. It's all political stuff. It's all borderline obscene, embarrassing, and certainly quite expensive to all of us.

What I'm interested in, is that the process is followed, the pilots get to make the call, and we don't step on our own cranks at the negotiating table over political infighting. The MEC/NC need to be allowed to deliver the best product they possibly can, then we must judge the results in a critical and deliberate manner. I think that's what we should focus on.