Interesting name..........but anything with Bender in it has a certain cool factor. <-----I tried to use the French term, but I can't spell in english much less French.

But does he have the balls to do my OE??:eek::D

Ferd

FEAR: noun.

a distressing emotion aroused by impending danger, evil, pain, etc., whether the threat is real or imagined; the feeling or condition of being afraid.

I see it radiating from your post. Rightfully so.


Now let's look at the facts:

"Senior executives have stated they would like to complete a new contract by the amendable date and are willing to commit the negotiating resources to do so."

-M. Donatelli, March 12, 2015 "From the Chairman"

We were told it would be "on time and on target." Apparently we have a TA six months before the amendable date. The good news is we can still appease the senior executives if the TA is not on target and it's rejected at either of the next two steps. We have plenty of time to work with.

We could actually conduct two more of the same negotiations we just did between mid March and now in that time. Maybe one if you factor in the required recalls depending on where in the process a rejection could occur.

"We have a fine negotiating team with an enormous stockpile of experience at their disposal. Your direction to the MEC has been collated, analyzed, absorbed, and debated by the MEC, and the MEC has completed their direction for the opener."

"any agreement will be the result of your input and consensus . I light of this process and the hard work of yourMEC, I am confident that when we do have an agreement you will conclude we have achieved the worlds finest airline pilot contract."

-M. Donatelli, March 12, 2015 "From the Chairman"




IF the rumors are true on pay rates alone, we will not have achieved the worlds finest airline pilot contract.

IF the rumors on selling back PS are true, they did not follow our input and consensus.

IF the rumors are true that this contract contains more scope concessions, they again did not follow our input and consensus.



"We have prepared, listened, and are ready to negotiate with management to bring you the best airline contract in the world."

-M. Donatelli, March 20, 2015 "From the Chairman

IF this TA is largely concessionary after the senior management enriched themselves and the share holders with buy backs and dividends worth $ 6,000,000,000.00, then neither did Dalpa prepare, listen or were at all ready to negotiate with management.

They will have effectively failed in that endeavor.

Therefore, IF this TA is largely concessionary with aggressive over reaching by management, that was not effectively countered in only the 10 to 12 weeks of negotiation by Dalpa, aggressive change is needed.

This change can only be recalls at the most elementary of remedies and a wholesale change of a bargaining agent at the most aggressive.

DPA, not a fan. But as an ALPA supporter at the end of my tolerance, I could be swayed if Caplinger and his gang are ushered out and effective, goal orientated communicators are at the helm.

I also could be swayed if an already "established" major pilots union made a drive to replace ALPA thus increasing their resources and political clout. It's being discussed. ;)




Sharpest. You fear the corner that the pilot group finds ourselves painted into now. There is much uncertainty as to how this plays out. If the TA is as bad as it's rumored, it's going to get ugly fast. Those emotional and unstable personas become genius just like that fast. What you characterize as spewing about the POS then becomes reality and the doubt that the leadership at Dalpa remains intact is the best case scenario. The real doubt is if Dalpa survives.

Hope they are paying attention in Herndon, VA. Stomp. Stomp.

I leave you all with these prophecies:





“This is really a good story,” ALPA President Lee Moak said Tuesday during a visit to Bloomberg Businessweek in New York, part of a quick tour to assure Wall Street analysts that ALPA’s contract demands won’t prove onerous to airlines. “I almost can’t stand it, it’s so good.”


--Bloomberg Businessweek: "Pilot Contract Talks in 2015 to Come Amid Robust Airline Profits"
By Justin Bachman August 13, 2014







Shareholders have started to realize returns in the form of dividends and stock buybacks. Thanks to the profits, pilots now see themselves as collaborators with management—they increasingly lobby alongside airline executives in Washington. That, says Moak, deepens the working relationships. “All of a sudden, you find yourself on the same side of 95 percent of the issues,” he says.


--Bloomberg Businessweek: Pilot Contract Talks in 2015 to Come Amid Robust Airline Profits
By Justin Bachman August 13, 2014






Most of the contract talks are likely to center on basic compensation—hourly pay rates and how much carriers pay into pilots’ retirement plans. “There will be a business discussion of pay as it relates to revenue,” Moak says. “You can argue about $2 or $2.05, and that matters to the crew member,” but “you’re working on the margins” on the new contracts, he says.


--D. L. Moak as quoted in Bloomberg Businessweek: "Pilot Contract Talks in 2015 to Come Amid Robust Airline Profits"
By Justin Bachman August 13, 2014

Thanks man........talk about a fall away jumper!

When I change my mind on what to do in life, I go all out. I was going to retire this fall.......then I saw 737 go junior out west (finally) and decided to stuff the mattress for a few more years. Then threw the ER on there as a "oh what the heck, it'll never happen".:D

I'm actually looking forward to training. I like the 330 a lot, but the commute was a pain in the ***.

Ferd

ER where? You still dwelling here in the Land of Sheriff Joe?

Yup!! Over to LA, I'll be number last (how is that for out'en myself):eek:

My nephew is a Deputy Joe, he gets a lot of grief from his father (wife's brother) and he's a conservative:D Talk about a multiple beer discussion

edit......I should say BACK to LA, I was an ER FO over there after the merger and LOVED it. Looking forward to going back.

That's a far cry from Jerry's specific bullet points (which I still contend were pulled out of thin air.) You're attempting to reframe my position, which is:

1. We have no concrete contractual language to dissect, shopping carts notwithstanding
2. Even IF a bullet point or two leaks out, it is meaningless without the context of the entire agreement.
3. We will have our chance, or not, by this coming Thursday

If you can't follow that logic, and choose to see my comments as "minimizing" anything, then I can't help that.

DAL

Executive Compensation

Name/Title..............................2010..........2011............2012............2013..........2014
Richard H. Anderson CEO..........8,041,271.....8,854,554....12,575,572 .....14,375,902....17,589,867
Paul A. Jacobson EVP & CFO..........................................2,351 ,477.......4,408,507......4,665,125
Edward H. Bastian President......4,683,534.....5,061,432.....7,122,4 97.......8,845,206......9,009,330
Glen W. Hauenstein VP.............2,455,152.....2,782,027.....4,742,0 31.......5,123,516......5,711,769

Total.................................15,179,957.. 16,698,013.....26,791,577...32,753,131...36,976,09 1



Has your salary doubled every few years?? Their's has. :rolleyes:

DAL Delta Air Lines Inc Executive Compensation

Bolded above shows your attempt at minimizing. Council 1 was trying to tell us something very important, and you're trying to get us to ignore it. Why would you do that Leine?

Carl

I'll look for you over there. I'll take you up on the multiple beer discussion if it can be worked in ever.

My accountant has some eye opening Joe stories.

Oh I miss the ER, fantasize often about my mistress the 75. I'd love to go back but the 5-6 leg a day jet is seducing me. Don't know if I can resist.

Re-read the bullet points Carl. You're being very selective in what you choose to accept as the truth. The ONLY message I'm sending is nothing making it's way out yet is worthy of getting my BP up.

Do you disagree that any details, or innuendo in the case of the shopping cart statements, are useless without the context of the full deal?