In the time I was there I never heard any such clarification. The "company shopping cart full, pilot cart not so much" was repeated a few times. If there was any clarification to the contrary...I never heard it.

 

Maybe Karnak will post where the Council 1 reps said that.

Karnak?

Carl

 

It's beginning to sound as if the TA that will be discussed by the MEC this week represents a very clear failure of 'proactive engagement' with the company. My hope is that if it doesn't live up to the expectations outlined in the contract survey, that the MEC will not provide it to the membership for ratification. The whole point of the MEC reviewing it is to make sure it passes muster, not to just rubber stamp for a general vote- regardless of the content.

If the company is indeed 'sitting on their wallets', then I think that we need to take a long and hard look at the process by which this 'last, best offer' came about, and consider making changes to the way we as pilots approach sec. 6 negotiations. I don't think we've ever been in a better position to 'wait it out' and in the meantime revise our strategy for obtaining our rightful share of our labors, now and going forward.

 

I agree with this.

 

Love the patience email from DALPA



Reminded me of this

 

I consider it an insult. REALLY DALPA, you think we don't know that you have worked on this? The NC obviously thinks this meets the wishes of the pilot group. And I would imagine that the MEC knew the basics before they agreed to call it a TA. If it is as big of a turd as we are reading what does this say about the MEC or the NC? I'm just beyond shocked that we're where we're at right now. 6 months early and this should be at least a Ground Rule Double if not a Home Run, but it's sound much more like a Foul.

Baja.

 

More like bases loaded, no outs...hit into a triple play.

 

Uncle Chuck! This happens every contract.
You promised you'd behave this time.
Now get off the Internet and get back on your meds!

 

You're right. But the reason I think this happened is C2012. I think Campbell and the other Ford & Harrison corporate psychologists were stunned when C2012 passed 62-38. In their minds, they left way too much on the table for us. This time they're floating a serious piece of junk low ball offer to see if we'll grab it again because it's early.

Carl

 

No question that impacted the current negotiations. So the question becomes, how do we achieve historic? Clearly this method isn't working.