Ok guys,

Mark your calenders, dayplanners, throw the confetti and sound the horns:


Slowplay,

I absolutely agree with you.

Let's just make sure we get something good out of this deal and really try to figure out what the unintended consequences can be down the road. Once you figure that out..then try to reel those in as much as possible :)

Tyronne has spoken.

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Anyone wanna go to the clubs with me this weekend?

I almost put that as my avatar lmao, R U 4 REEL!!!

Geez, it suddenly is getting freeking cold down here where I live!:D

Not now chief, I'm in the f'n zone.

A very loyal society. Want to guess who pretty much started JAL as an airline? Northwest Orient. No loyalty there any longer.

Would you also like to explain how NWA spent all the money designing the interior of half of Terminal 1 and did all the market research for the design and watched the Japanese give that section to UAL? If you want the real story, ask RA, he went to Narita after it happened and there were many embarassed on the Japanese side of that deal.

I don't buy the loyalty argument.

FWIW JAL has done many strange things to get around "bilateral difficulties" there is/was a branch called Japan-Asia Airways. They formed it because the mainland Chinese told JAL that they couldn't fly to Taiwan if they wanted to keep flying to mainland China.

All of a sudden Japan-Asia appears in a very JAL-like livery and starts flying Japan-Taiwan routes.

The fake "charter" international flights out of Haneda are also good indicators that modern JAL is not anywhere near as rigid or culturally influenced as some would believe.

JAGER BOMB!!!!!!!!!

That is part of my worry. We can dump billions in to this company, but if we do not have some direct say in how they are restructured, or they enter their version of CH11 our investment will be wiped clean. Maybe will will get things like Haneda access directly so that it is not thought JAL, and therefore not subject to the fire sale in CH11. A billion is a lot of money for a Hail Mary.
I have been to both airports and yes Haneda is a lot closer (2 hrs), but I am sure the Japanese government is going to want to keep a lot of service at NRT as well.
Agreed, and what is the plan for Haneda anyway. It will be slot controlled, which kind of goes against the notion of Open-Skies
To say the least, but it needs to be talked about to educate the group.
Open-Skies by definition should and does include all carriers. I do not think the Japanese government will want to exclude DAL.
There are a lot of options that can result from this. There is a huge potential for disaster or success with this JAL deal depending on how the deal is structured. We as pilots for DAL which is one of the investors need to make sure our company is not going to throw money at the idea or possibility, and not deal with the issues/ problems that brought JAL to this place. (The reason I state the last point, is the Japanese government is involved as a major risk holder in the deal. Sometimes when you are throwing money across the table to get a deal done, the other side will not let certain things happen. I know our business leaders are cognizant of this, it is just a worry. These guys are head and shoulders above previous management teams, and I have faith that they will get the best deal possible)

That is and has been my point. Look at the unintended consequences to this group, and try to eek something for us out of the deal.

I see that Slow did not respond to the fact that I took an opposing view for a reason.

JAL is a big deal for DAL and this pilot group long term. We are very smart to be behind it. We just need to make sure we do not lay down to get the deal done. That is all!

So If we do lay down we will get furloughed???? Im going to the extreme because thats what this seems like