The added disability account is absolutely worthless. It is essentially what we have now. Read the fine print.

This is a massive direct benefit for the few, but it has trickle down effects for many. Those senior FOs who were bidding LCA trips but no longer can will now do one of 2 things:

1. bid up in pay rate -- most of them could be FOs or even captains on much better paying equipment. The category they leave sees no benefit to them leaving since the trip goes into the LCA void, the category they move to sees a relative loss of seniority for every pilot below them.

2. stay where they are (and I find this unlikely unless they are seat locked) - in this case everybody in that category takes a seniority loss directly proportional to the number of LCA trips per month. If a category has 10 LCAs, that equates to 7-8 lines (probably very good lines) that basically just disappeared into the ether. That means less hiring required and more people available for reserve.

JV Scope.. I don't even know how to respond to this as it is actually extremely critical to our jobs. Wide body jobs not needed significantly affects EVERYONE on the seniority list and cripples upward movement.

Sick leave... If you have a issue for 14 days and then go back to work you CANNOT verify it. Then if you take a "mental day" or even a simple head cold you HAVE to verify it. even if it is 11 months later. It isn't scary, its a waste of everyone's time to verify a head cold.

FO OE trips. This affects ALL First officers, not just the few who get the LCA trips. This removes somewhere around 10% of trips (And usually pretty senior trips) from the pool of options. Now these good trips are going to newhires while people on the bottom of the line/reserve threshold are being forced to reserve, and people who could hold trips over weekdays and non holidays are no longer able to hold those. This affects each and every first officer.

At the risk of putting words in your mouth (nothing more), it would seem this TA is a sh1t sandwich for you. For others, it's a turd taco, or a crap wrap, or poop on a platter. Why is it essential that we have group-think about WHY we don't want it as is? If it doesn't meet your needs, vote it down. Any improvements will make for a better PWA...and the status quo is better during the waiting game anyway.

I can't figure out how to paste a post from the FaceBook group "Delta Pilots Against the TA". Consider navigating there there to read an exceptional post debunking the dangerous myth that a NO vote will bog us down and be fruitless. You don't even HAVE to grow a pair in the current environment. You just have to open your eyes to the cards we all hold RIGHT NOW...it's not a hand we've ever held before.

You're upset about the wrong thing. The PS "reduction" was merely a trade. Its beneficial to put it into every paycheck instead of letting the company sit on it for a year. Taking 5.74% from PS and putting 6% into your paycheck isn't a cut or a reduction in anything. However, my issue with it was that that 6%, even as "at risk compensation" as it is, has never been more likely to be paid out than for the duration of this contract, so therefore what we would almost definately be getting anyway was labeled a "raise" in order to get that "raise" number up to the target amount many felt was necessary to assure the passage of the TA.

I also don't like that executive compensation, which is increasing at near exponential rates, is being backed out of PS. That admittedly isn't likely going to make a huge difference but as a matter of principle its entirely unacceptable. I could look past that, reluctantly, if the rest of the TA was acceptable, but I don't like it.

The problem with the PS transfer was that since it occured in section 6 and got all jumbled into everything its being called a raise. There is some value in getting it in every check, I get that. But what do you think this TA, as is, would be if they didn't touch it and instead offered 8/0/3/3, especially with all the concessions? IOW they used money we were likely getting anyway to sweeten an otherwise low offer we wouldn't otherwise think of voting for. That's my issue with it.

I also don't like that our mini "hammer" was was modified to include PS, thus likely eliminating it as a bulwark against a lack of parity among our peers. While its technically right to point out that its only paid out 0.5% one time in the years we've had it, unmodified its much more likely to pay out in the future in any years the company attempts to stonewall us. Which is why they want it effectively eliminated by changing the definition to include PS. Not the biggest issue, and again fine whatever, but still a negative we have to recognize.

While I agree that we settled the JV grievance way, way too low, I would have rather gotten a claim from the arbitrator for zero dollars and an injunction to immediately cease any out of balance AF/KLM code share flying, or perhaps all of it, which would have given us massive leverage. But I think some were afraid of winning the grievance and really didn't want to win it like we did with the too large corporate jet scope violation at DPJ. We won that, slam dunk, and immediately just gave it away as a gesture of good will by rolling it into C2012 for no additional anything.

However you're wrong in thinking that JV protection language doesn't matter. If that was the case, I'm sure we could get an increase in PS if we simply shredded any and all JV language. Would you go for that? Hey they violate it anyway right? So we might as well trust them to make "business decisions" and embrace abject helplessness WRT our JV language since it was violated by 1.5% or so, therefore why even have any? Lets trade it all for PS increases. I mean, why not?

I'm being rhetorical of course, but I hope you're not really so defeated by our lowball grievance settlement that you actually think there is little to no value in JV language. Yes they should have been a percent or so higher, but would you really give them a blank check to go anywhere from there to zero at their discrection if they left your PS alone? Man I hope not.

Pro or Con, your opinion on this mediocre TA is to be respected... but please don't stop donating to the PAC.

As far as it being a poor decision to come to DL...life is short, others are hiring, follow your heart.

I've only voted "YES" twice since I was hired and one of them I still regret. This TA will certainly not be a third. This TA is an insult and Mr. D's condescending letters add even more insult. It's an easy "NO" vote for me.

Airline pilot 101.:D

Unless you're within 10 hours of report, the calling interrupts your rest and you legally need another 10 hour rest reset for safety and legality.

I called ALPA on this and they said the company can use the automated call feature one time even when your on rest and it supposedly doesn't violate your rest period.