Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1910894)

Yeah, good work rules. Improved reroute. Improved end of the month spillover protection. Better rotation construction. 600 new pilots, with half that number new Captains. So I don't see the 8% seniority loss, especially since OE removal can only occur in base.

Not kidding.

Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1910936)

Off the top of my head, we have 3.B.4, joint venture grievance, and retaining the current profit sharining measuring metric to offset any increase in hourly wage. (I don't mention profit sharing itself 'cause that's a swap. We will get that either way.) How much is this potentially worth? Based on the company giving at least 3% raises a year to the non union employees since 2009, I'm guessing anywhere from 3 to 7 percent a year. Get 3 or 4 percent from 3.B.4, and 1 to 1.5 percent each for JV grievance and not changing PS metric.

All the factors I listed are "potential." But I certainly believe the potential of them coming true is at least 70/30 if not better.

Denny

Originally Posted by Eck4Life (Post 1910913)

I assume you're referring to the EMB order hinging (supposedly) on this TA. Quote us where that these airplanes are growth? The -88s are getting long in the tooth. How do you know that these are not replacements? We all know that the industry loves frequency over capacity. Otherwise, why not send one 747 to TLH a day vs. 3 -88s?

More pilots on the seniority list is a good thing, but not at the expense of higher paying positions that they would replace.

Originally Posted by Unity by Design (Post 1911050)

Delta to order 40 more 737-900ERs, add 20 E-190s to mainline fleet | Airframes content from ATWOnline



The 40 new 737-900ERs are in addition to 100 of the type already ordered by Delta. The aircraft will enter Delta’s fleet through 2019, replacing older narrowbodies.

Originally Posted by Unity by Design (Post 1911050)

Delta to order 40 more 737-900ERs, add 20 E-190s to mainline fleet | Airframes content from ATWOnline

The 40 new 737-900ERs are in addition to 100 of the type already ordered by Delta. The aircraft will enter Delta’s fleet through 2019, replacing older narrowbodies.

Originally Posted by 300SMK (Post 1911053)

I'm impressed and we are getting ahead of the curve. Perhaps the -900s were -88 replacements all along. The -900 will fill that void nicely. Typical Boeing reliability and they sip fuel in contrast.

Originally Posted by Eck4Life (Post 1910906)

Please....... His title is FO rep. Not CA rep, not company rep.

One can argue that this TA is more detrimental to FOs than CAs thanks to the OE holdback carve out. No surprise there. DAL knows our demographics. With so many guys/gals approaching retirement do you really think that the company would court the folks in the minority?

Nestor may think he is helping the pilot group as a whole (I strongly disagree) by endorsing this thing, but that is not the point. His role is to represent the FOs. There is no way he could look me in the eye and tell me this is a good deal for FOs and have me believe him. He's a ladder climber if I've ever seen one. He's bragged about how his father was in "executive level" corporate business. My guess is that is his aim with respect to the union. Any means justify the end. The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1911077)

No. Since this TA's changes to scope only protects aircraft block hours as opposed to seats, the company is going to need those extra 737's to fly Europe since one of our 737's equals one A380 from AF/KLM.

Perfect timing.

Carl

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1910867)

Hurt the pilots he represents? Please...

Let's go plead our case of persecution over a TA that provides industry leading pay, a good profit sharing plan, best in the industry sick leave per year, better than average verification requirements, the best disability program, good workrules, and shifting of DCI flying to mainline and 600 new jobs.

Hurt? Right.