Assimilated into the Borg?

Maybe he took a look at a set of facts and realized his preconceived notions didn't comport with them.

Maybe you ought to look at those facts too. With a whole 15 months here there might be a few things that are different than you perceive them.

Hurt the pilots he represents? Please...

Let's go plead our case of persecution over a TA that provides industry leading pay, a good profit sharing plan, best in the industry sick leave per year, better than average verification requirements, the best disability program, good workrules, and shifting of DCI flying to mainline and 600 new jobs.

Hurt? Right.

Response to nestor
 

Hey hockey
I posted this on chit chat. You should send to nestor delta's investor conference presentation from June 4. Slide nine shows them increasing the guidance in every category: Balance sheet, free cash flow, operating margin, EPS growth and ROIC.
I cant believe our reps are quoting an article from yahoo as a reason to vote yes when our own company is saying the opposite. I told hermon this is a new low for the group
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Plus Nestor represents the biggest voting block in all of DALPA and maybe even overall ALPA since he solely represents the biggest amount of members.
That is why his position is so important

good work rules are your kidding me!!!
What contract TA are you reading?
You are ok with FOs losing 8% of senority?
Since he represents FOs yes he hurts the people he represents!

Yeah, good work rules. Improved reroute. Improved end of the month spillover protection. Better rotation construction. 600 new pilots, with half that number new Captains. So I don't see the 8% seniority loss, especially since OE removal can only occur in base.

Not kidding.

Please....... His title is FO rep. Not CA rep, not company rep.

One can argue that this TA is more detrimental to FOs than CAs thanks to the OE holdback carve out. No surprise there. DAL knows our demographics. With so many guys/gals approaching retirement do you really think that the company would court the folks in the minority?

Nestor may think he is helping the pilot group as a whole (I strongly disagree) by endorsing this thing, but that is not the point. His role is to represent the FOs. There is no way he could look me in the eye and tell me this is a good deal for FOs and have me believe him. He's a ladder climber if I've ever seen one. He's bragged about how his father was in "executive level" corporate business. My guess is that is his aim with respect to the union. Any means justify the end. The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree.

I assume you're referring to the EMB order hinging (supposedly) on this TA. Quote us where that these airplanes are growth? The -88s are getting long in the tooth. How do you know that these are not replacements? We all know that the industry loves frequency over capacity. Otherwise, why not send one 747 to TLH a day vs. 3 -88s?

More pilots on the seniority list is a good thing, but not at the expense of higher paying positions that they would replace.

Worse work rules (concession). 600 new pilots (because we make aircraft purchase decisions). During a time of $5b stock buy back and record profits.

It is possible to actually see a paycut out of this deal since 3b4 probably accounts for a raise. Next years JV grievance (under the current language) would account for another 1.5%. Trip pulls put a bunch more FOs on reserve. Diminished GS opportunities.

Am I close to 8% yet...

I regret that I only have one NO to vote.

Off the top of my head, we have 3.B.4, joint venture grievance, and retaining the current profit sharining measuring metric to offset any increase in hourly wage. (I don't mention profit sharing itself 'cause that's a swap. We will get that either way.) How much is this potentially worth? Based on the company giving at least 3% raises a year to the non union employees since 2009, I'm guessing anywhere from 3 to 7 percent a year. Get 3 or 4 percent from 3.B.4, and 1 to 1.5 percent each for JV grievance and not changing PS metric.

All the factors I listed are "potential." But I certainly believe the potential of them coming true is at least 70/30 if not better.

Denny