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Tee1Up 10-07-2015 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by Indy (Post 1986442)
FWIW, you will get paid training salary until the day you are signed off of IOE. You will be paid flight pay for TOE trips and any other line trips or prorated reserve pay for the remainder of that month. Anything you bid until completion of TOE will get CNX'ed (and placed in the open time pot).

Also, line bids or reserve bids are for the entire bid period. There is no mixing reserve and regular line schedules within a bid period.

I heard 7ER OE still has a 6 week break between rating ride and first IOE (can anyone confirm?). IOE and TOE should be complete within a month or less...once you finally get started. For you, NOV will likely be just practice for learning the mechanics of bidding. You won't see a single rotation on your award. Dec may be the same...though you might consider bidding reserve days/regular trips to align with any Christmas desired time off.

For what it's worth, I finished my last sim on July 26th. Didn't start OE until October 1st and I'll finish OE on the 9th. TOE will be OCT 15-20th. Looks like everyone around my class date is getting about the same mileage.

iceman49 10-07-2015 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by Tee1Up (Post 1986987)
For what it's worth, I finished my last sim on July 26th. Didn't start OE until October 1st and I'll finish OE on the 9th. TOE will be OCT 15-20th. Looks like everyone around my class date is getting about the same mileage.

Just curious, did you get a sim warm up before going out on OE?

Timbo 10-07-2015 07:28 AM

OK all you reserve bidding, sharp shooting guru's, I need some help for November. I have two weeks of vacation Nov 15-28. I also have a carry in trip that arrives Nov 3 with a 17:54 carry in.

That leaves me with only 13 days to stuff trips into; 4-14 and 29, 30.

Looking at the trips in the bid package, there is almost no way for me to get a regular line, due to the fact that almost all our trips are worth 28-38 hours, and the FAR117 100 hours in 28 days thing.

I will have 60 hours block time in the last two weeks of October, I need 47:06 in the first two weeks of November just to get into the ALV window, obviously that's 7:06 too much block in 28 days (and it's a stupid rule for ULR flying!).

I'm thinking PBS might force me onto reserve, OR, maybe I WANT to bid reserve, they could only use me for 1 scheduled trip in the first two weeks of Nov, unless they come up with a broken up trip that will 'fit' FAR wise, and then I'm off.

SO...my question to you smart F/O's who always know the way to sharp shoot this situation for financial rewards...how many X days would I get with 3 days of carry in, and two weeks of vacation? And what would the 'financial reward' be, if I were to bid reserve?

I haven't been on reserve in about 8 years and I commute, so I try to avoid it, but in a month with 2 weeks of vacation, it might work?

Thanks in advance!

(You can send me a pm if it's top secret info.)

full of luv 10-07-2015 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 1987004)
Just curious, did you get a sim warm up before going out on OE?

Usually they schedule the observation flts right before the Ioe for this reason. You're free to js during your time off as well. 😂

It may be hard to relax but try to enjoy the free time.

forgot to bid 10-07-2015 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1987009)
OK all you reserve bidding, sharp shooting guru's, I need some help for November. I have two weeks of vacation Nov 15-28. I also have a carry in trip that arrives Nov 3 with a 17:54 carry in.

That leaves me with only 13 days to stuff trips into; 4-14 and 29, 30.

Looking at the trips in the bid package, there is almost no way for me to get a regular line, due to the fact that almost all our trips are worth 28-38 hours, and the FAR117 100 hours in 28 days thing.

I will have 60 hours block time in the last two weeks of October, I need 47:06 in the first two weeks of November just to get into the ALV window, obviously that's 7:06 too much block in 28 days (and it's a stupid rule for ULR flying!).

I'm thinking PBS might force me onto reserve, OR, maybe I WANT to bid reserve, they could only use me for 1 scheduled trip in the first two weeks of Nov, unless they come up with a broken up trip that will 'fit' FAR wise, and then I'm off.

SO...my question to you smart F/O's who always know the way to sharp shoot this situation for financial rewards...how many X days would I get with 3 days of carry in, and two weeks of vacation? And what would the 'financial reward' be, if I were to bid reserve?

I haven't been on reserve in about 8 years and I commute, so I try to avoid it, but in a month with 2 weeks of vacation, it might work?

Thanks in advance!

(You can send me a pm if it's top secret info.)

November is a 30 day month and you have 17 days unavailable. 30-17= 13 reserve days. For that you get 6 X days.

So 7 days of reserve.

Which is a month off right?

Kick ass.

Timbo 10-07-2015 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1987042)
November is a 30 day month and you have 17 days unavailable. 30-17= 13 reserve days. For that you get 6 X days.

So 7 days of reserve.

Which is a month off right?

Kick ass.

Thanks FTB...and what's a reserve line worth when our ALV is 72, with 3 days of carry in and 2 weeks of vacation? Do vacation days add time to the 72?

I'm sure they'll put me on short call at least 3 days...so I may need to crash at your place...:eek::D

I'm thinking I bid to put all my on call days right up against the carry in trip, then it'll be even harder for them to use me, then put 4 X days (and put in for a GS), 2 weeks vacation, and 2 X days on 29/30? :confused:

FlyingDutchman 10-07-2015 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1987054)
Thanks FTB...and what's a reserve line worth when our ALV is 72, with 3 days of carry in and 2 weeks of vacation? Do vacation days add time to the 72?

I'm sure they'll put me on short call at least 3 days...so I may need to crash at your place...:eek::D

I'm thinking I bid to put all my on call days right up against the carry in trip, then it'll be even harder for them to use me, then put 4 X days (and put in for a GS), 2 weeks vacation, and 2 X days on 29/30? :confused:

That's the way to bid it cause you would probably need 30 hrs off before you could fly your next trip. Your 16 Rsv days are worth 38.24 and your 2 weeks vacation is 45:30 for a total of 83:54.
Gobble Gobble

Timbo 10-07-2015 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by FlyingDutchman (Post 1987070)
That's the way to bid it cause you would probably need 30 hrs off before you could fly your next trip. Your 16 Rsv days are worth 38.24 and your 2 weeks vacation is 45:30 for a total of 83:54.
Gobble Gobble

83:54?

Sweet...potatoes and pumpkin pie!! :D

captkdobbs 10-07-2015 10:17 AM

For those on reserve with vacation, training, or carry-in trips: On the PBS information screen (once logged on, with all the ALV/high/low/extra x-day info) is a "PBS Reserve Pay Excel Spreadsheet." It's available on both the web and desktop version of PBS.

Once logged on, scroll down below the category information down to PBS Resources. You'll find it under Calculators.

CliffsNotes (formerly Cliffs Notes, originally Cliff's Notes and often, erroneously, CliffNotes) instructions: Select month, fill in ALV and extra X-day (if applicable), fill in the boxes with training/vacation, carry-in value (under 'other') and voila - you have your pay.

Easy (Thank you JB for this and so many other awesome tools)

Vincent Chase 10-07-2015 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by captkdobbs (Post 1987166)
For those on reserve with vacation, training, or carry-in trips: On the PBS information screen (once logged on, with all the ALV/high/low/extra x-day info) is a "PBS Reserve Pay Excel Spreadsheet." It's available on both the web and desktop version of PBS.

Once logged on, scroll down below the category information down to PBS Resources. You'll find it under Calculators.

CliffsNotes (formerly Cliffs Notes, originally Cliff's Notes and often, erroneously, CliffNotes) instructions: Select month, fill in ALV and extra X-day (if applicable), fill in the boxes with training/vacation, carry-in value (under 'other') and voila - you have your pay.

Easy (Thank you JB for this and so many other awesome tools)

This should be a yellow and black striped handout in every lounge!


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