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04-16-2016, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by The Cavalier
When deviating from deadhead on the front end, is there a requirement and/or an expectation to comply with the commuter clause? Deviating flight would be mainline DAL.
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04-16-2016, 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by The Cavalier
When deviating from deadhead on the front end, is there a requirement and/or an expectation to comply with the commuter clause? Deviating flight would be mainline DAL.
04-16-2016, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by 404yxl
I'm all for restoring work rules, but you got your math way off there.
If you average 90 hours/month, that is 1080 hours a year. 117 limits you to a rolling 1000 in 365, which is more restrictive than 1000 in a calendar year, which could have put you at 1200 hours in the previous 12 months due to the January 1st reset.
The most pilots can now average in any 365 day period, is 83 hours/month.
80 is quite a lot, your pushing 950+ a year.
If you average 90 hours/month, that is 1080 hours a year. 117 limits you to a rolling 1000 in 365, which is more restrictive than 1000 in a calendar year, which could have put you at 1200 hours in the previous 12 months due to the January 1st reset.
The most pilots can now average in any 365 day period, is 83 hours/month.
80 is quite a lot, your pushing 950+ a year.
Vacation. Credit time. (I am on a 3 day trip right now. 4 hours of flying and 13 hours of credit time).
I belive our average paid hours per month is over 90 hours.
04-16-2016, 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 404yxl
I'm all for restoring work rules, but you got your math way off there.
If you average 90 hours/month, that is 1080 hours a year. 117 limits you to a rolling 1000 in 365, which is more restrictive than 1000 in a calendar year, which could have put you at 1200 hours in the previous 12 months due to the January 1st reset.
The most pilots can now average in any 365 day period, is 83 hours/month.
80 is quite a lot, your pushing 950+ a year.
If you average 90 hours/month, that is 1080 hours a year. 117 limits you to a rolling 1000 in 365, which is more restrictive than 1000 in a calendar year, which could have put you at 1200 hours in the previous 12 months due to the January 1st reset.
The most pilots can now average in any 365 day period, is 83 hours/month.
80 is quite a lot, your pushing 950+ a year.
Oh, and it's you're***
04-16-2016, 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
You are talking about FAR's which is block time only, that is not what we get paid.
You've got to add in all the DH, Vacation, Training, sick time, etc. My math is not off, but you might want to check yours, or just pick up the pone and call the DALPA office and ask them, "What is the average line holder getting paid today?". It'll be north of 87 hours. For every guy with a 72 hour month, there's another guy with a 100+ hour month. Our PBS rules allow it.
You've got to add in all the DH, Vacation, Training, sick time, etc. My math is not off, but you might want to check yours, or just pick up the pone and call the DALPA office and ask them, "What is the average line holder getting paid today?". It'll be north of 87 hours. For every guy with a 72 hour month, there's another guy with a 100+ hour month. Our PBS rules allow it.
Originally Posted by gzsg
You are nowhere near right.
Vacation. Credit time. (I am on a 3 day trip right now. 4 hours of flying and 13 hours of credit time).
I believe our average paid hours per month is over 90 hours.
Vacation. Credit time. (I am on a 3 day trip right now. 4 hours of flying and 13 hours of credit time).
I believe our average paid hours per month is over 90 hours.
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
They are talking credit, not actual flight time.
I get it, we fly more than we use to, but I don't get how non-flying credit time is a bad thing. Don't you want to get more pay for less block hours of flying? I know I would rather. Soft time can really add up. You guys should check out the regional game, those guys are getting abused to the max block time far more than any mainline pilot is and a lot don't come close to the credit time that is added on to their pay.
gzsg, are you saying that it is a bad thing that you are flying 4 hours and getting paid 13 hours? Seems like a trip most pilots would love.
04-16-2016, 07:07 AM
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04-16-2016, 07:21 AM
Otto
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Originally Posted by The Cavalier
When deviating from deadhead on the front end, is there a requirement and/or an expectation to comply with the commuter clause? Deviating flight would be mainline DAL.
If the scheduled DH had a backup, then in order for you to be covered by the 'unable to commute' policy so must your DD. If the original did not have a backup, then neither does your DD. Of course if your scheduled DH is late, cancels, diverts, etc, etc, you are pay protected and it is the company's responsibility to get you back on rotation, pay you, or drop the rotation and give it to somebody else. If you deviate and comply with the commuter policy then there as many outcomes as there are scenarios; however, I'm fairly certain you are at least protected from getting into any trouble.
04-16-2016, 07:29 AM
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If I PD a reserve day in May and subsequently earn a banked PB day in April, can I retroactively put that PB day on top of the PD, be paid for the day, and GS on top of it? If not can I just GS on top of the PD?
EDIT: LOL, not that it matters. I just looked and there aren't any blue days in May anyway. What was I thinking? Anyway, if somebody knows it would still be nice to know for future reference.
EDIT: LOL, not that it matters. I just looked and there aren't any blue days in May anyway. What was I thinking? Anyway, if somebody knows it would still be nice to know for future reference.
04-16-2016, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeF16
I think I was incorrectly given my reserve schedule next month. The reasons report wasn't helpful, but somebody jr. to me got days off that I had requested. I always allow for the possibility that I shot myself in the foot and all the pain is self induced, but in this case I am at a loss to figure out how and why.
I plan to do a PBS inquiry and call ALPA, but with it being the weekend I'm not sure what traction I'll be able to get. Are there any immediate actions I can take or people I can call to figure this out? If I'm correct and days were incorrectly awarded will the company go back and fix my schedule?
Thanks
I plan to do a PBS inquiry and call ALPA, but with it being the weekend I'm not sure what traction I'll be able to get. Are there any immediate actions I can take or people I can call to figure this out? If I'm correct and days were incorrectly awarded will the company go back and fix my schedule?
Thanks
No combination of trips available (without conflicting with vaca / trng) that builds a line in the LCW.
Unstacked days on your schedule required reserve coverage despite the fact that trips remained.
Person below you had carryover or vacation credit that required reduced credit to make a line in LCW.
In categories with longer trips, these reasons can produce a reserve line despite quite a bit of flying being left either below you or in open time.
04-16-2016, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeF16
If I PD a reserve day in May and subsequently earn a banked PB day in April, can I retroactively put that PB day on top of the PD, be paid for the day, and GS on top of it? If not can I just GS on top of the PD?
EDIT: LOL, not that it matters. I just looked and there aren't any blue days in May anyway. What was I thinking? Anyway, if somebody knows it would still be nice to know for future reference.
EDIT: LOL, not that it matters. I just looked and there aren't any blue days in May anyway. What was I thinking? Anyway, if somebody knows it would still be nice to know for future reference.
10. A reserve pilot will not be awarded a GS, IA, or yellow slip for a rotation that is scheduled to operate during a day of his PD.
Not sure about putting a PB day over a PD day. I don't think I've seen it done but I can't think of a contractual reference that would prevent it.
Seems like a waste though. There has to be positive reserve coverage on the day in question to be awarded the PD in the first place, so you are not likely to get a greenie.
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