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Old 04-15-2016 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by GangtaMoose
totally random question when did DAL move away from line bidding to pbs? was it something brought over from nwa after the merger? if not then what year was the switchover?
It was a manning concession given up in bankruptcy, and it is still in place today. It cost us at least 20% of our jobs, up and down the entire staffing list, as we are all now flying on average, 90 hours per month, vs 75 hours per month under line of time bidding.
Old 04-15-2016 | 02:59 PM
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Can someone explain RLL to me please in basic chapter-and-verse-hold-my-hand-like-a-small-child. I tried reading the contract but then my eyes crossed and I had an aneurism and now I'm out sick on a job action.

Does it basically let PBS build you a line below the LCW?
Old 04-15-2016 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by tennfly2
Another quick question, I'm on Mil leave this month and return next month. My May's schedule is posted in Icrew, but it doesn't download in Icrew max. Any solutions? Thanks!
It won't go in there until I think it's the 17th.
Old 04-15-2016 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by surfnski
Can someone explain RLL to me please in basic chapter-and-verse-hold-my-hand-like-a-small-child. I tried reading the contract but then my eyes crossed and I had an aneurism and now I'm out sick on a job action.

Does it basically let PBS build you a line below the LCW?
Preface: I am not a PBS expert and don't even play one on TV.

Not sure about how it effects what PBS will or won't do (i.e. I don't think it will shortchange you on a line), but the RLL=Reserve Lower Limit as I understand it is the person in each category and above which, are guaranteed a line for the month if requested during a bid.

If below the RLL you have to wait and see what is left over from the line holders above to see if PBS is able to construct a line for you that meets the LCW.
Much of that depends on who above you in seniority requests reserve etc to see how much is left in open time to build lines.
Old 04-15-2016 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by WhatNow
It happened as part of LOA46 under threat of a bankruptcy filing. NWA had their own PBS system when we merged. They were different programs.


Originally Posted by Timbo
It was a manning concession given up in bankruptcy, and it is still in place today. It cost us at least 20% of our jobs, up and down the entire staffing list, as we are all now flying on average, 90 hours per month, vs 75 hours per month under line of time bidding.
Okay thank you. would it be fair to say it happened around end of 2006?
Old 04-15-2016 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by full of luv
Preface: I am not a PBS expert and don't even play one on TV.

Not sure about how it effects what PBS will or won't do (i.e. I don't think it will shortchange you on a line), but the RLL=Reserve Lower Limit as I understand it is the person in each category and above which, are guaranteed a line for the month if requested during a bid.

If below the RLL you have to wait and see what is left over from the line holders above to see if PBS is able to construct a line for you that meets the LCW.
Much of that depends on who above you in seniority requests reserve etc to see how much is left in open time to build lines.
Not exactly.

RLL is reduced lower limit line. It basically means you are willing to have a line of time built which isnt within the line construction window. You are unblockable within your parameters, but dont want to be on reserve. RLL can be as low as zero credit hours up to (depends on category) somewhere in the 60's credit hrs.

You used to be able to bid it easily. I used to bid it almost every month when we could. Now you have to be both unblockable and put it in as a quasi bid group.

I say as a quasi bid group because, if, in your regular line bid, you use else start next bid group, it will not allow you to have an RLL bid. Pbs will make you delete the RLL bid so else start next bid group jumps straight to reserve.
Old 04-15-2016 | 08:28 PM
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I think I was incorrectly given my reserve schedule next month. The reasons report wasn't helpful, but somebody jr. to me got days off that I had requested. I always allow for the possibility that I shot myself in the foot and all the pain is self induced, but in this case I am at a loss to figure out how and why.

I plan to do a PBS inquiry and call ALPA, but with it being the weekend I'm not sure what traction I'll be able to get. Are there any immediate actions I can take or people I can call to figure this out? If I'm correct and days were incorrectly awarded will the company go back and fix my schedule?

Thanks
Old 04-15-2016 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by GangtaMoose
Okay thank you. would it be fair to say it happened around end of 2006?
I think PBS came to Delta south around October or November of 2004, which was when our first big concessionary agreement was put into place, known as LOA 46, it included a 32% pay cut and lots of other concessions, many of which are still in effect today, such as lost vacation weeks. I believe PBS was not fully implemented in all categories until the fall of 2005. It took them a while to 'work the bugs out'.

LOA 46 was given to "Keep Delta out of Bankruptcy" but obviously, it didn't, and we gave up more concessions once in bankruptcy, like losing our pensions and another, 15% pay cut. This second round of concessions was known as LOA51.

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Old 04-15-2016 | 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
It was a manning concession given up in bankruptcy, and it is still in place today. It cost us at least 20% of our jobs, up and down the entire staffing list, as we are all now flying on average, 90 hours per month, vs 75 hours per month under line of time bidding.
90 hrs avg/month? Who's doing that. I've never even been close to that? I avg 78-80 and that's too much.
Old 04-15-2016 | 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
It was a manning concession given up in bankruptcy, and it is still in place today. It cost us at least 20% of our jobs, up and down the entire staffing list, as we are all now flying on average, 90 hours per month, vs 75 hours per month under line of time bidding.
I'm all for restoring work rules, but you got your math way off there.

If you average 90 hours/month, that is 1080 hours a year. 117 limits you to a rolling 1000 in 365, which is more restrictive than 1000 in a calendar year, which could have put you at 1200 hours in the previous 12 months due to the January 1st reset.

The most pilots can now average in any 365 day period, is 83 hours/month.

Originally Posted by qball
90 hrs avg/month? Who's doing that. I've never even been close to that? I avg 78-80 and that's too much.
80 is quite a lot, your pushing 950+ a year.
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