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full of luv 04-15-2017 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by TurbineDriver (Post 2343852)
Awesome tips, thank you! Where do you see the trips for the PCS swap with the pot? Is it just the trips in open time that it's looking at? I assume the advantage of putting a request in via swap with pot is you aren't restricted to ALV plus 15? Otherwise no advantage right if you're just looking to pickup a trip?

Yes same pool of trips.
Yes limit doesn't apply.
Trading one trip(s) for another(s) if reserve limited is the only way you can since you can't drop without reserve coverage.

PSA for new guys: if your trying to drop a trip over reserve limited days make sure you also post it to the icrew swap board for the most success as a pilot can then pick it up over alv+15 limit where they wouldn't be able to as a white slip unless they had already reduced their schedules.

Ragtop Day 04-15-2017 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by TurbineDriver (Post 2343852)
Awesome tips, thank you! Where do you see the trips for the PCS swap with the pot? Is it just the trips in open time that it's looking at? I assume the advantage of putting a request in via swap with pot is you aren't restricted to ALV plus 15? Otherwise no advantage right if you're just looking to pickup a trip?

As full of luv stated, the swap with pot is for trading a trip you already have for a trip in open time. There is always a lot of behind the scenes churn that happens during pcs runs, especially the first couple on the 20th. So just because you don't see a trip in the pot does not mean it may not come available in the middle of the run. For example, a senior guy may get awarded a trip drop, that trip is now available for swap/white slip throughout the rest of the pcs run, even though it never shows in open time.

Swap with the pot also allows "wildcard swaps" This allows you to trade a trip you have for ANY trip that comes available. These are inputted as a * followed by the number of day trip you want. Example...to swap for any 4-day on the 15th you would input "*4 15may". Very useful if you need a specific day off, but don't want to use a drop or want to trade a shorter trip for a longer one. However, use these with caution as it will award ANY trip that comes open meeting the criteria even those you don't see in the middle of pcs runs.

Once again it is pretty easy once you look at the template and read through the help menu.

dc10guy 04-15-2017 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 2343754)
You might just try calling a scheduler and ask the question. If you're not satisfied ask for a manager and it may get cleared up today. It could be a simple mistake.

Just talked to them. They can use 23k but I have no recovery. Made them note that in my remarks as a backup.

Falcon20 04-15-2017 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by dc10guy (Post 2343893)
Just talked to them. They can use 23k but I have no recovery. Made them note that in my remarks as a backup.

Are you pay protected for the dropped trip?

WhiskeyDelta 04-15-2017 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by dc10guy (Post 2343893)
Just talked to them. They can use 23k but I have no recovery. Made them note that in my remarks as a backup.

I still don't know why they can use 23k. Do you lose the credit as well since you have no recovery obligation?

I still think you should ask ALPA for a more in-depth explanation. 23k in the PWA is clear it's only for IROPS and this is no such situation or system event. If you do talk with them please post their answer.

dc10guy 04-15-2017 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta (Post 2343901)
I still don't know why they can use 23k. Do you lose the credit as well since you have no recovery obligation?

I still think you should ask ALPA for a more in-depth explanation. 23k in the PWA is clear it's only for IROPS and this is no such situation or system event. If you do talk with them please post their answer.

Paid protected for April part but not the 2days in May. I don't understand the May part. I will call Alpa about that.

Omar 111 04-15-2017 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by dc10guy (Post 2343906)
Paid protected for April part but not the 2days in May. I don't understand the May part. I will call Alpa about that.

If you ask for two days off free of duty prior to training on the AE template, you are not pay protected.

dc10guy 04-15-2017 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by Omar 111 (Post 2343932)
If you ask for two days off free of duty prior to training on the AE template, you are not pay protected.

I did but that was May 3thru 4. My trip went April 30thru May 3. Should I be pay protected for the 2nd

Omar 111 04-15-2017 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by dc10guy (Post 2343941)
I did but that was May 3thru 4. My trip went April 30thru May 3. Should I be pay protected for the 2nd

Sounds like one for ALPA scheduling. I'd call 800-USA-ALPA and ask them on Monday.

deadseal 04-17-2017 03:35 PM

Is there a way to guesstimate an upcoming greenslip frenzy? ER lax is black every day except 4 and it's only May


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