There will be some concessions with any contract negotiations. New hire seat locks are about dead last on my priority list. right there with new hire hotels.

Right out of the DALPA "It only affects a small percentage of the pilot group" handbook.

It doesn't affect me...screw the new guys.

That's how the B Scale was started, and then we had to trade other A scale stuff away to get rid of it 5 years later!:rolleyes:

I would have been much better off if we hadn't traded anything away to eliminate it, since I did all 5 years on it before it was reduced and then finally eliminated, but I knew we had to get rid of it.

Then we started a whole new B Scale, with Express.

Then a whole new C Scale, with the RJ's.

Then a whole new D Scale, with the lost pensions.

We have always been doing the, "One step forward, two steps back" dance.

When are we going to learn to say FUPM?

Right on Q Ball.....you will see less new hires come to the company because potential DAL new hires will go to another airline that doesn't have a B scale. In fact, if you make it a 2 year seat lock, we will virtually get no new hires. Why would new hires come to DAL to only get regional pay for two years. Keep that selfish attitude of, "It doesn't affect me", because it will when we can't staff the airline in 2-3 years. Way to go buddy.....keep thinking only two feet in front of you. Be a good little boy and believe everything you hear from mgmt.

Heck why shouldn't a new hire go to United or American.....at those companies they actually do their own wide body flying. Here at Delta we give our flying away. Delta has 18 777s....United and AA have double and triple the amounts of those jets.

Oh look....Delta just announced more Pittsburgh to Paris flights......in a 757. Who needs wide bodies? DAL doesn't.

Since you were hired you have seen nothing but huge growth. It has been great. The guys that got hired right before you stagnated for several years. Before that guys got laid off. The best way to avoid that for you is if Delta keeps hiring. Reducing the amount of pilots going through training reduces the amount they need below you. That means you are closer to getting laid off. I am loving the growth and I don't want anything to slow it down, because of that staffing consessions are a no go from me. I get what you are saying about negotiations but seems like we have given enough.

Now Hotels for new hires I don't care either.

At least some of this buffoonery is intentional. It's meant to keep us guessing and looking over our shoulders; a way to incite discomfort and paranoia. It's meant to distract us from our PWA negotiations and "soften us up" for the next vote. I suspect one of the "carrots" in management's next sales job will be the promise of some predictability.

It's a page right out of Mike Campbell's labor-busting playbook.

We must stress with new hires that management is NOT our friend.

And by God, get Dickson out of ALPA yesterday. I don't want that guy as a union "brother."

Hey, if it required a 777 or A330, Air France would do it....:eek:

I posted this before but no one responded so I'll try again re-wording hoping some scheduling guru can help me out. Trying to maximize my shadow day credit:

My PBS calendar shows training ending on February 9th. I know that I have a day off on February 6th. Therefore I think I should be able to bid a 3 day on the 10th, or a 4 day with 30 hours rest built in. My PBS calendar however does not show days off, does anyone know if when PBS awards are processed if it looks at my day off on the 6th?

Thanks to anyone who can answer this, I emailed alpa and they gave me a response with some generic shadow bidding guidelines and said I could bid a trip on the 10th, but didn't specifically answer my rest question.

I hear ya. my point is that the company is gunning for staffing concessions and there will likely be some. pick your poison, new hire seat locks or OE pulls or sick leave or fill in the blank.


the fact that I list new hire seat locks or hotels less important than other concessions makes me want a B scale or means I don't give a crap about the new hires? Come on now.

PVAC awards are out.


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