Cant give you any numbers but based on how much and how fast Ive moved up in rel seniority Id say its pretty high on the mad dog.

I think one year is enough but agree I dont know that raises to instant no level.

For me it would have to be huge gains in other areas to give up any staffing consessions. That's how I feel and most of the guys I talk to about it.

Disagree!

Why do you even care if a new hire has a 2 yr seat lock?:confused:

It's only a "concession" to a new hire.:cool:

I think you're just looking for needles in order to vote NO, regardless!

JMHO

If staffing concessions are the #1 priority then we should be fighting to get rid of green slips, right?

Going to a two year seat lock reduces training churn which reduces the amount of pilots needed. I want as many pilots here as possible. Training issues are not our problem but if they want them fixed then management needs to pony up.
A concession to any group of our pilots is still a concession.

Just like the OE trip drop only would affect 2 percent of F/Os....right?

Reducing training churn increases profits and therefore profit sharing checks. It isn't necessarily a bad thing. Staffing concessions that drive us to work more are a bad idea.

Mgmt. has a way of making their problems our problems. Dalpa has played right along with it too. Sick leave? Show me all the charts and graphs you want, but I'll bet there isn't one in there that is called "Unused Sick Leave Given Back to the Company For Free" No, instead of a bank system, lets create a department, no, a couple of departments to manage the 'problem'. Then we can go back and forth ad infinitum on who is getting screwed.

Training churn? Take a look at our crazy mixed up fleet, our schizophrenic basing decisions, wildly fluctuating block hour plans and our goofy pairing and wack schedule mix (PBS says it's safe to fly 20 days in a row, why not?) Throw in summer staffing shortages and you've got a lot of pilots who would rather be doing something else. How about a pay band for everything up to a 737? What are we really talking here, a few bucks either way? Add a few bases like MCO and DFW, DCA and PHX. What is a base any more? A place to start and end a trip with some black chairs and some computers with a printer? Everything else is already virtual now. Give people a choice on where they live and you''ll see way less commuting and guys will stay on the equipment in their base. Look at CVG for example. People who live there flying MD88A when they could hold 777A in another base. No, instead of creating an environment where people are happy and stay put, lets keep pulling the rug out from under everyone every couple of years, then we'll have more problems to solve! Let's make stupid 5 day trips with 30 hour layovers instead of lots of out an back turns, sleep in your own bed every night, because nobody would want that, right? Things would be too easy then!

OE trip pulls? Why even bother? Cut the churn, give pilots a bidding choice that they can live with for a few years and you'll see a lot less churn. There are a lot of ways to do things, we just seem to focus on the ones that cause the most pain for the company while they continue to make mgmt. decisions that only make things worse. They could solve every issue they have TOMORROW with the one thing we want and they have in abundance: MONEY. It's that simple.

I really think the reason we do things so bassackwards, our computers are so outdated, our methods are overly complex and needlessly rigid, is to create problems that we have to solve by giving concessions to the company. It's ridiculous the way we do some things nowadays. Other companies let you live anywhere, buy you a ticket to your trip and pay for all sorts of things to make your life easier. Here, on the contrary, we have some pretty insane ways of doing things, just because! Archaic really. Does anyone really fully understand the reserve rules and 117 in totality? It's just easier to answer the bloody phone anymore. Why are we even using phones to do anything?

The technology exists to be able to do things in an entirely new way, and a way that ultimately would save the company money and make life much easier for everyone.

But you know what? It will never happen. Reading the last few CR newsletters have convinced me of that. NO LAX 777 Base! Wait, YES, a WEEK LATER! But ONLY CAPTAINS! Wait, MAYBE FO's! E190's in SEATTLE! That we WEREN'T GETTING 3 weeks ago! A350's in DTW. No, ATL, No, SEA, wait, maybe LAX. Who can plan a life around any of this??? Q: Are we retiring the 757's? A: YES, wait, NO, wait, SOME, WE WON'T BACKFILL. Wait, We WILL BACKFILL...

I am DONE playing this game. You got problems? Solve them yourselves... there's a couple of Brinks trucks pulling up every minute with the means to do so.

Green slips change the manning formula in our favor, white slips don't. We should get rid of white slips.

How does that work (seriously)? White slips bring with them QOL issues, though, being able to drop crappy trips and pick up a better white slip. Now, white slip *****ing (sp) to max limits, that's another issue.