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casual observer 06-27-2017 05:10 PM

You want to GS, bid 'em. You want to fly 100 hours at straight pay, do it. Just stop *****in about it.

Don't hate the pilot, hate the contract.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Or, maybe just stop hating.

OOfff 06-27-2017 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by Spudhauler (Post 2386330)
The whole point of having a union is to get a contract that benefits everyone. Limiting hours flown while maximizing pay rates helps ensure good pay with time off to enjoy it. It also means we need more pilots, helping advancement. There's 14000 of us and we don't operate in a vacuum.

Last I checked, the person using a WS was operating within the confines of the contract.

Han Solo 06-28-2017 04:34 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 2386420)
Last I checked, the person using a WS was operating within the confines of the contract.

You have missed the point entirely. Nobody said you are operating outside the contract. Just because something is legal in the contract does not mean it is a good thing for the pilot group at-large. They can correct me if I'm wrong, but they are suggesting we modify the contract to limit straight pay pickup in order to improve QOL/pay for the majority of DAL pilots even though a few might not see an improvement. Often the union needs to protect us from ourselves.

OOfff 06-28-2017 05:21 AM


Originally Posted by Han Solo (Post 2386501)
You have missed the point entirely. Nobody said you are operating outside the contract. Just because something is legal in the contract does not mean it is a good thing for the pilot group at-large. They can correct me if I'm wrong, but they are suggesting we modify the contract to limit straight pay pickup in order to improve QOL/pay for the majority of DAL pilots even though a few might not see an improvement. Often the union needs to protect us from ourselves.

Straight pay pickup is already limited

Myfingershurt 06-28-2017 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by Han Solo (Post 2386501)
You have missed the point entirely. Nobody said you are operating outside the contract. Just because something is legal in the contract does not mean it is a good thing for the pilot group at-large. They can correct me if I'm wrong, but they are suggesting we modify the contract to limit straight pay pickup in order to improve QOL/pay for the majority of DAL pilots even though a few might not see an improvement. Often the union needs to protect us from ourselves.

It's funny that you think green slips increase QOL/pay for a majority of the pilot group when it's really a small minority that benefit from green slips in most categories. Plus it costs the company more in payroll which decreases profits which decreases profit sharing for EVERY pilot come February. Pilots are the biggest bunch of delusional self serving people in the world.

CheapTrick 06-28-2017 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by Myfingershurt (Post 2386534)
It's funny that you think green slips increase QOL/pay for a majority of the pilot group when it's really a small minority that benefit from green slips in most categories. Plus it costs the company more in payroll which decreases profits which decreases profit sharing for EVERY pilot come February. Pilots are the biggest bunch of delusional self serving people in the world.

Oh come on. Pilots aren't more deluded or more self serving than anyone else. Have you been around college students? flight attendants? educators? union leadership? politicians? Hare Krishna? Krishna Krishna? Hare? Rock Stars? Drug addicts? Addicted Rock Stars? Yada Yada Yada...

The world, broad brush speaking, is self serving. Pilots are no different in that respect than anyone in your neighborhood. Self loathing isn't very becoming.

qball 06-28-2017 06:17 AM


Originally Posted by Myfingershurt (Post 2386534)
It's funny that you think green slips increase QOL/pay for a majority of the pilot group when it's really a small minority that benefit from green slips in most categories. Plus it costs the company more in payroll which decreases profits which decreases profit sharing for EVERY pilot come February. Pilots are the biggest bunch of delusional self serving people in the world.

Greenies cost the company far less than adding additional staffing to cover that flying.

sailingfun 06-28-2017 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by qball (Post 2386552)
Greenies cost the company far less than adding additional staffing to cover that flying.

To a extent. There is a crossover point where it's better to add pilots. There are issues beyond straight cost. The company has increased staffing in some categories as a result.

Han Solo 06-28-2017 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by Han Solo (Post 2386501)
You have missed the point entirely. Nobody said you are operating outside the contract. Just because something is legal in the contract does not mean it is a good thing for the pilot group at-large. They can correct me if I'm wrong, but they are suggesting we modify the contract to limit straight pay pickup in order to improve QOL/pay for the majority of DAL pilots even though a few might not see an improvement. Often the union needs to protect us from ourselves.


Originally Posted by Myfingershurt (Post 2386534)
It's funny that you think green slips increase QOL/pay for a majority of the pilot group when it's really a small minority that benefit from green slips in most categories. Plus it costs the company more in payroll which decreases profits which decreases profit sharing for EVERY pilot come February. Pilots are the biggest bunch of delusional self serving people in the world.

Ok, my eyes aren't so good. Where did I say GS increase QOL/pay for the majority of the pilot group? But thanks for putting words into my mouth.

But even if I had said that, what an interesting and dumb take you have. Your math is wrong. Total compensation to the pilot group at large is more when pilots earn that money up-front, not when the entire group earns 20% from profit sharing and the company gets 80%.

hockeypilot44 06-28-2017 08:03 AM

Green slips seem like easy money. My advice to new guys is to never cancel plans with your family to fly a green slip. This job is hard enough on family as is. Family needs to come first on off-days. I have heard pilots talking about skipping trick-or-treating with their little kids because that experience isn't worth the $8,000 the green slip pays. That's a terrible mindset to get into. Another one I've heard is the $6,000 beer that the pilot just drank making them unable to accept a GS with an immediate report time.


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