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sailingfun 06-22-2017 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2383436)
Not even voluntary only for a full 5:15 day above guarantee? I wouldn't do it but some might. Commuters paid to sit around at the airport hmmm...

The company would not accept a voluntary system. For it to have value to them they would need it to be consistant and dependable.

Scoop 06-22-2017 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2383436)
Not even voluntary only for a full 5:15 day above guarantee? I wouldn't do it but some might. Commuters paid to sit around at the airport hmmm...

Never gonna happen. The unique shuttle operation required crews to be in position in case they needed to add an extra section ASAP. They are already paying Pilots to be in position - its called short call.

Scoop

notEnuf 06-22-2017 05:56 PM

3 quotes in a row, it must be a bad idea. I agree, you're all correct. My bad. Just thought there might be some "money for nothing" (or QOL salesman) sentiment here.

PilotJ3 06-22-2017 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2383556)
3 quotes in a row, it must be a bad idea. I agree, you're all correct. My bad. Just thought there might be some "money for nothing" (or QOL salesman) sentiment here.

No money for nothing? Have you ever been in airport standby? Spending the day sitting around the crew room/airport is not fun.

They could send the standby to your flight, which might be late for a couple of minutes only to be on time. Making you spend the night in base, while the standby guy is enjoying your favorite layover.

The SC guy/gal will be assigned airport standby to cover the pilot who just got your layover.

That's the way regional operates and reserve guys get abused. I've been here only 6 months and this reserve system is fair, non stressful and 95% of the time I can commute my last day home.

Let's not try to fix what is not broken for a couple of bucks. There are more important things to negotiate.

Express pilot 06-22-2017 09:37 PM

[QUOTE=Scoop;2383330]Well maybe, but in 18 years of on and off reserve last month was the first time that I ever maxed out SC. I am of the opinion that it is directly related to guys not being in position when they were needed.

Just like sick call and MIL LV, we had very Pilot friendly programs in place until guys started pushing it - now we have much less Pilot friendly programs in place in these areas. It will be interesting to see what if any proposed changes we see in SC.

Scoop[/QUOTE

SC shoud pay 1 hr over the res guarantee if you do not get used for the SC. If you are getting paid 75 hrs and get 5 SC that you do not get called out on, you are at 80 hrs. We are sitting SC for free.
I thought we got this on the last contract, only to read closer, its only towards your hrs for the month that you will only go over once in a blue moon.
They max us out b/c its free for the company and cuts down on GS.

Express pilot 06-22-2017 09:49 PM

[QUOTE=Express pilot;2383648]

Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 2383330)
Well maybe, but in 18 years of on and off reserve last month was the first time that I ever maxed out SC. I am of the opinion that it is directly related to guys not being in position when they were needed.

Just like sick call and MIL LV, we had very Pilot friendly programs in place until guys started pushing it - now we have much less Pilot friendly programs in place in these areas. It will be interesting to see what if any proposed changes we see in SC.

Scoop[/QUOTE

SC shoud pay 1 hr over the res guarantee if you do not get used for the SC. If you are getting paid 75 hrs and get 5 SC that you do not get called out on, you are at 80 hrs. We are sitting SC for free.
I thought we got this on the last contract, only to read closer, its only towards your hrs for the month that you will only go over once in a blue moon.
They max us out on SC b/c its free for the company and cuts down on GS.

Most days all rsv pilots are on SC. Even 1 day guy/gals.
We do have SC buckets that are in the PWA. Once everyone has 2 SC. Everyone is on SC. The change from 3-2 on the buckets hurt us and helped them.

Express pilot 06-22-2017 10:00 PM

Also, I found out this month. If you have vacation and bid rsv.
Your vacation days count as days on call that go towards the Chart in the PWA on how many SC you can have in the month. How does vacation days count as days on rsv? Bottom line they still get 5 SC out of you instead of 3 on a vacation rsv month. This adds 1 extra 4 day, maybe 2.

Tee1Up 06-23-2017 03:53 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2383506)
The company would not accept a voluntary system. For it to have value to them they would need it to be consistant and dependable.

VB's are voluntary, are they not? I'm not advocating ANY of these SC ideas, but the company will apparently agree to voluntary systems that they can benefit from.

Han Solo 06-23-2017 05:13 AM


Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta (Post 2383461)
Flight Ops page. EFB link on the right. Should find it from there.

Thanks WD

I did the training, and was hoping for a tip. I always had "N/A" displayed instead of altitude (above the zulu time) in the blue box on the bottom right corner. Any idea what I'm doing wrong?

I thought I saw you're doing some beta testing which hopefully means they listen to your inputs. Perhaps you could pass this along, it is frustrating when DAL tells us "make sure you read XYZ" but then don't hotlink it. All the info we need is there on Deltanet but it is extremely burdensome finding it in a timely manner.

sailingfun 06-23-2017 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by Tee1Up (Post 2383702)
VB's are voluntary, are they not? I'm not advocating ANY of these SC ideas, but the company will apparently agree to voluntary systems that they can benefit from.

They are voluntary until you bid it two months prior. At that point the company knows the manning situation is firm and can build the rotations accordingly. Absolutely no different than any other base. Even given that the VB's will be of little use to the company. They have really leaped all over starting them up! Didn't I have a bet with someone about that?


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