Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-21-2018 | 02:33 PM
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Yes, mistakes however above you continue to characterize it as a willing choice to trade Scope for pay increases.
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03-21-2018 | 02:41 PM
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Yes. That is the mistake. You say they did it out of naivety and ignorance. I agree. I was not there and I cannot read the minds of every single voter. But if you are claiming there was no self-preservation involved on behalf of the pilots, I will disagree. It is not cheaper to outsource and pay for multiple company structures than it is to fly for a cheaper rate for a single company. Outsourcing was not required to save the airline. Outsourcing was required only to maintain higher rates for the more senior pilots, who were not laid off and replaced by dirt cheap regional contractors.
03-21-2018 | 02:51 PM
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Yes. That is the mistake. You say they did it out of naivety and ignorance. I agree. I was not there and I cannot read the minds of every single voter. But if you are claiming there was no self-preservation involved on behalf of the pilots, I will disagree. It is not cheaper to outsource and pay for multiple company structures than it is to fly for a cheaper rate for a single company. Outsourcing was not required to save the airline. Outsourcing was required only to maintain higher rates for the more senior pilots, who were not laid off and replaced by dirt cheap regional contractors.
03-21-2018 | 02:57 PM
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That's great but I don't see how that applies to anything I've said. Comair shouldn't have existed in the first place (as a WO).
03-21-2018 | 03:00 PM
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The mainline could have instead chosen to take pay and contract hits to prevent the outsourcing of their jobs in the first place. And besides, JUNIOR guys were laid off. Probationary guys were laid off. Not the senior guys with voting rights. Not the senior guys who are now happy in retirement. Again, there is no excuse. The choice was still made to sell scope, and not by regional pilots.
03-21-2018 | 03:03 PM
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No, this is before, if Comair/ASA had not been ALPA, DALPA would have flexed its muscle, stapled them or worse, and after 9/11 the Comair pilots would have hit the street, not the thousands of Delta pilots. No small jet allowance would have been made.
03-21-2018 | 03:04 PM
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03-21-2018 | 03:08 PM
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You're right. Funny how things work out.
03-21-2018 | 03:22 PM
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That makes no sense at all, most of the guys that lost their pensions were not involved with scope. Comair had a few Bandits and plinked around the Midwast when those guys retired. Jeez.......
03-21-2018 | 03:37 PM
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You got Jack squat for it, it was all the attorneys, executives, investment bankers, airplane manufactures, and the people in oil paintings that got the cash.
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