I hope this is humor because I did chuckle :o

Mainline pilots haven't done anything to screw the regional guys since the regionals were created. I'm glad you're starting to lighten up.

It was my attempt at humor! Have a fine evening.

What controls this? Honor system? Or are there checks and balances during the check-in process to prevent abuse? It will only take one or two abuse examples for Delta to drop the hammer.

So if the new pass code is limited to travel to work why did the memo reference spouse, dependent children? Not many times my kids go to work with me. The language you mention seems to be for a positive space second flight.

The memo I saw says there is no limit worldwide. Not sure why msprj said that.

Have you ever been thru a major airline bankruptcy? Many, many items were lost including scope, QOL issues and a pretty severe pay cut. Ever since then, in pretty much every subsequent contract, we have made strides to reduce the outsourced (RJ) flying. You don’t mention anything about that. It’s easy to criticize when you don’t have to live through it.

Denny

That time was 50 years ago and very brief. In addition those 250 hour jobs were filled with individuals who had stellar resumes in all other areas.

When we sold scope can you tell us what we sold it for? Was it pay, 42% cut, perhaps not. Retirement maybe, oh wait terminated. Could it have been work rules. Nope, gutted!
Oh, I remember now we traded it for lifting the cap so we could fly more days!
Can you tell us your contractual experience in chapter 11 and do you even know what 1113 means?

I completely understand your displeasure with the situation of regional size and career hoops they create, I spent a number of years in this situation and jumped through said hoops. I also feel you don’t fully respect or understand how contract negotiations work and particularly bankruptcy works. I say this admitting that at some point there was definitely an ego choice that cracked the door open for regional jets.

First off though pilots in general overestimate the power of our contract in regards to how an airline is run. All we can and could ever do since being part of the railway labor act, is to make a company practice that is undesirable to us expensive. Example would be language on sit length, we say if you have us sit for more than 4 hours you must pay us 2 hours of pay. So the company has to AGREE knowing that they can schedule how they want without a 4 hour sit, or if the math is worth it have us sit anyways. The same goes for scope unfortunately we can say no to any other flying done by someone else but if they don’t AGREE then no contract gets done.

This is wher bankruptcies come into play, if they deem they need to add regional flying as per a new business model idea. Then during a bankruptcy they can try to prove that they need a change in scope language to implement a new business model that will save the company, the “point” of bankruptcy.

This all leaves pilots with the option of continuing to fly for the company they have seniority and created a life with an option of accepting the contract or quitting. Quitting is the only actual action available to a pilot who doesn’t accept what is happening, as we no longer can strike. Hard to take responsibility for something when your options are so extreme.
Hopefully, the result has been now a generation of pilots later that maybe scope is THE contract item of importance. But if the company really wants it they will create a situation that you have to pick your dream job, its ability to take care of your family or scope changes. A hard choice, even in the good times we now are reaping.

It is so hard to take anything seriously from someone who calls himself "poopplop" and talks like an authority on subjects where he seems to not know what he doesn't know.:rolleyes: I used to have to deal with that from my kids (without the nickname) before they reached adulthood. Not going to even listen to it any more here. poopplot meet peastain.;)