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ShyGuy 11-14-2020 08:42 PM

Heard a Delta emergency (?) today, missed the call sign. Something about unreliable data (airspeed), asking for controllers what they saw in terms of groundspeed. They said they saw some scary indications, said they didn't want to go into SEA or PDX due to weather, instead were gonna try LAS or PHX where it was clear.

Anyone know what airplane and what happened? This was today 11/14 about 230pm PST.

Gunfighter 11-16-2020 12:03 PM

Coverage Awards
 
Can someone explain the coverage award logic? My category has no coverage awards for line holders. All the way down to plug +1 with no coverage awards. The last one qualified in the category is on reserve. Meanwhile, reserves were given coverage awards all the way up to 25% in category. Isn't the purpose of coverage awards (formerly unstacking) to spread out the work rather than stack it up over certain days. We have 28 coverage awards for reserve days on the 24th and 25th with no coverage awards for trips on those same days. Was PBS supposed to have awarded trips on the 24th and 25th to junior pilots rather than reserve days for senior pilots?

-Signed New owner of a Christmas bidding mistake.

Gspeed 11-16-2020 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 3159634)
Can someone explain the coverage award logic? My category has no coverage awards for line holders. All the way down to plug +1 with no coverage awards. The last one qualified in the category is on reserve. Meanwhile, reserves were given coverage awards all the way up to 25% in category. Isn't the purpose of coverage awards (formerly unstacking) to spread out the work rather than stack it up over certain days. We have 28 coverage awards for reserve days on the 24th and 25th with no coverage awards for trips on those same days. Was PBS supposed to have awarded trips on the 24th and 25th to junior pilots rather than reserve days for senior pilots?

-Signed New owner of a Christmas bidding mistake.

I can’t answer your question but I will say that filling out a PBS Inquiry on DeltaNet always elicits a prompt response from someone on the PBS Committee.

Jaww 11-16-2020 12:39 PM

Wish I knew if my category had coverage awards. ATL320B...

Gunfighter 11-16-2020 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by Jaww (Post 3159660)
Wish I knew if my category had coverage awards. ATL320B...

Oddly, I'm in the same boat. The wide report for my category disappeared. Here's hoping they rerun the bids with better coverage award logic.
I guess that's what I get for looking before the DALPA Textcaster alert.

4fans 11-16-2020 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 3159674)
Same. My wide report disappeared. Here's hoping they rerun the bids with better coverage award logic.

Last month I could see my schedule in MiCrew before I could see it on Deltanet. Odd that it is late again.

GogglesPisano 11-16-2020 01:09 PM

Did anyone else not get texts from ALPA when the preliminary awards were available?

Gunfighter 11-16-2020 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3159676)
Did anyone else not get texts from ALPA when the preliminary awards were available?

I received the LAX73NA re-run texts and the A awards are posted text, but haven't received anything since. I don't think they sent the B text yet.

Rooster435 11-16-2020 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 3159634)
Can someone explain the coverage award logic? My category has no coverage awards for line holders. All the way down to plug +1 with no coverage awards. The last one qualified in the category is on reserve. Meanwhile, reserves were given coverage awards all the way up to 25% in category. Isn't the purpose of coverage awards (formerly unstacking) to spread out the work rather than stack it up over certain days. We have 28 coverage awards for reserve days on the 24th and 25th with no coverage awards for trips on those same days. Was PBS supposed to have awarded trips on the 24th and 25th to junior pilots rather than reserve days for senior pilots?

-Signed New owner of a Christmas bidding mistake.

It’s truly one of the great mysteries with PBS. I’ve had it explained several times and it still makes no sense to me. But..,
The line and reserve coverage awards are not tied to each other. In my category reserve coverage awards happen much more often then line coverage awards. In a previous category it was just the opposite.
On reserve lines, the coverage awards often seem completely out of whack with reserves required. In July of 2019 my category had 26 of 28 reserve lines get a coverage award for a non holiday Sunday. Once the schedules were pushed too Icrew the reserves required for that day were In the low teens. The good news with that is you can often move that reserve day once the PCS process starts if you are senior enough.

Herkflyr 11-16-2020 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 3159634)
Can someone explain the coverage award logic? My category has no coverage awards for line holders. All the way down to plug +1 with no coverage awards. The last one qualified in the category is on reserve. Meanwhile, reserves were given coverage awards all the way up to 25% in category. Isn't the purpose of coverage awards (formerly unstacking) to spread out the work rather than stack it up over certain days. We have 28 coverage awards for reserve days on the 24th and 25th with no coverage awards for trips on those same days. Was PBS supposed to have awarded trips on the 24th and 25th to junior pilots rather than reserve days for senior pilots?

-Signed New owner of a Christmas bidding mistake.

That is an excellent question. I wish I knew a better answer. I know that there have been a couple of good replies to you. Absent a better one, I have also been burned in the past, and took these pointers to heart:

1. Never assume that "reserve is junior." Yes, it has been that way traditionally throughout the industry, and at DAL. But depending on the category it in fact may go quite senior. Therefore never assume "hey I know I can get those days off as a regular lineholder, so it naturally follows that I will also be able to get those same days off on reserve."

2. Always understand that reserve and regular bid groups are two unrelated entities. How one group pans out doesn't really predict how the other one does. Evidently, seniority and all its considerations only apply within the bid group types, not the entire category.

3. Always "hope for the best and plan for the worst." If you are going to start with a reserve bid group (like I did for Dec) always preface any Vacation Slide and Prefer Off preference with "Else Start Next Bid Group." After getting similarly burned by not putting that qualifier in a year ago, I learned my lesson for the Super Bowl (which I believe was Feb 6). I started with a reserve bid group, put in "Prefer Off Feb 6, Else Start Next Bid Group." Guess what? I got a regular line, but with Feb 6 off, while guys senior to me with reserve lines were Coveraged/Unstacked into an on call day on Feb 6.

4. I am not happy with how senior the Coverage awards are going up the reserve schedules--at all. I'd like to see a good answer from the company and union, because I don't think that the extent you have described is appropriate. Until then, however, always heed points 1-3.


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