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BlueSkies 03-06-2021 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3203480)
The situation would be a reserve pilot on a string of three Reserve days, who is offered a GS (LC reporting in less than 12 hours) over those three days. If the trip starts with a single short leg to a layover on day one, it’s an easy “no thanks” forgoing only an hour or two over reserve guarantee. But if that trip enters assignment step and comes back up the same list, I am trying to understand if that phone is worth answering. Would it be A#1 and pay double on day one? All three days? I’d like to know what might be worth putting a bug in scheduling’s ear if they are within 2 hours of report and appear to be out of (good) options.

Based on my reading of it, you're actually worse off with an inverse assignment, unless you request to move an Xday into the IA rotation.

If you take a GS with less than 12 hours notice on LC that first duty period pays above guarantee (at least 5:15), not only 1 to 2 hours, unless I'm missing something in your example. (Assuming the rotation falls in one month only)

A res pilot on LC:
who is a long-call pilot will receive single pay, no credit (above the reserve guarantee) for the first duty period of a GS rotation flown on an on-call day if the report of the rotation is within 12 hours of the first attempted contact


A reserve pilot who has flown an inversely assigned rotation(s) will receive:
1) single pay and credit for the portion of such rotation(s) flown on his reserve on-call days (applied against his reserve guarantee), and
2) single pay, no credit for the portion of such rotation(s) that interrupted his X day(s) (in addition to any other pay and credit for the bid period).

and
A reserve pilot: (on IA)
who is awarded an IA rotation in which all duty periods of the rotation are scheduled to operate on on-call days may request one X day that coincides with a day on which the pilot does not have a duty period within the IA rotation be moved to the first day of the IA rotation. (For example, a reserve pilot with one X day on the 12th may be awarded a three-day IA rotation on the 11th which has a 30-hour layover and no duty period touches the 12th. That X day may be moved to the 11th.)

Also, a res pilot on LC:
who is awarded a GS rotation in which all duty periods of the rotation are scheduled to operate on on-call days may request one X day that coincides with a day during which the pilot does not have a duty period within the GS rotation be moved to the first day of the GS rotation.

So basically if you take it on LC you could get an extra 5:15 above guarantee and request to move an Xday to get another 5:15 (I think?), or you could take it as an IA and move an Xday also get 5:15, but no PB (I think?). Looks like LC is the better bet.

DWC CAP10 USAF 03-06-2021 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 3203549)
Isn't a GS on RSV days just block on day 1 above guarantee with no PB days?

If you're on RSV for 3 days and get a 3 day GS you'll only get block (NOT 5:15 etc) on day 1 above GAR with the rest being free, unless you end up over guarantee for the month anyway.

Right?

Only if the GS is < 12hrs to report.

Check out Sched Alert 19-07 for more details. https://www.alpa.org/dal/-/media/DAL...lert-19-07.pdf

Buck Rogers 03-06-2021 11:23 AM


Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 3203559)
Only if the GS is < 12hrs to report.

Check out Sched Alert 19-07 for more details. https://www.alpa.org/dal/-/media/DAL...lert-19-07.pdf

Man DWC...you are on a roll today. Factual informative posts in multiple threads

Tip of the hat to you

Cheers

BTW...while I wait for 240...are you more inclined to answer questions or rants? (another rhetorical question)(raising kids has predisposed me to one end of the spectrum:cool:)

TED74 03-06-2021 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by BlueSkies (Post 3203551)
Based on my reading of it, you're actually worse off with an inverse assignment, unless you request to move an Xday into the IA rotation.

If you take a GS with less than 12 hours notice on LC that first duty period pays above guarantee (at least 5:15), not only 1 to 2 hours, unless I'm missing something in your example. (Assuming the rotation falls in one month only)

A res pilot on LC:
who is a long-call pilot will receive single pay, no credit (above the reserve guarantee) for the first duty period of a GS rotation flown on an on-call day if the report of the rotation is within 12 hours of the first attempted contact


A reserve pilot who has flown an inversely assigned rotation(s) will receive:
1) single pay and credit for the portion of such rotation(s) flown on his reserve on-call days (applied against his reserve guarantee), and
2) single pay, no credit for the portion of such rotation(s) that interrupted his X day(s) (in addition to any other pay and credit for the bid period).

and
A reserve pilot: (on IA)
who is awarded an IA rotation in which all duty periods of the rotation are scheduled to operate on on-call days may request one X day that coincides with a day on which the pilot does not have a duty period within the IA rotation be moved to the first day of the IA rotation. (For example, a reserve pilot with one X day on the 12th may be awarded a three-day IA rotation on the 11th which has a 30-hour layover and no duty period touches the 12th. That X day may be moved to the 11th.)

Also, a res pilot on LC:
who is awarded a GS rotation in which all duty periods of the rotation are scheduled to operate on on-call days may request one X day that coincides with a day during which the pilot does not have a duty period within the GS rotation be moved to the first day of the GS rotation.

So basically if you take it on LC you could get an extra 5:15 above guarantee and request to move an Xday to get another 5:15 (I think?), or you could take it as an IA and move an Xday also get 5:15, but no PB (I think?). Looks like LC is the better bet.

I appreciate the response.

And all this time, I didn’t know I’d get the greater of actual block or 5:15 on that first day of a GS (<12 hrs) over RES days.

DWC CAP10 USAF 03-06-2021 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 3203583)
Man DWC...you are on a roll today. Factual informative posts in multiple threads

Tip of the hat to you

Cheers

BTW...while I wait for 240...are you more inclined to answer questions or rants? (another rhetorical question)(raising kids has predisposed me to one end of the spectrum:cool:)

Appreciate it Buck! The wife is running errands and the kiddos are at their cousins house, so I had some free time to peruse the forums. Always happy to share the scheduling knowledge with others!

I do love a good rant....makes me chuckle!

BlueSkies 03-06-2021 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3203611)
I appreciate the response.

And all this time, I didn’t know I’d get the greater of actual block or 5:15 on that first day of a GS (<12 hrs) over RES days.

No problem, glad to help.

bugman61 03-07-2021 04:48 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3203611)
I appreciate the response.

And all this time, I didn’t know I’d get the greater of actual block or 5:15 on that first day of a GS (<12 hrs) over RES days.


You don’t. ADG pays on the last day of the trip. You get credit time from block and dh legs, with a minimum of 2 hours. There’s no 5:15 min, unless it’s a single day trip.

gloopy 03-07-2021 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 3203559)
Only if the GS is < 12hrs to report.

Of course. If it was more than 12 to report and it was all on reserve days it wouldn't be a GS for you in any case would it? It would just be a reserve assignment off of LC right?

Gspeed 03-07-2021 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 3203999)
Of course. If it was more than 12 to report and it was all on reserve days it wouldn't be a GS for you in any case would it? It would just be a reserve assignment off of LC right?

If it’s your first day of reserve and the rotation is before 12pm then it can still be a GS even though it’s more than 12 hours in advance.

DWC CAP10 USAF 03-07-2021 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 3203999)
Of course. If it was more than 12 to report and it was all on reserve days it wouldn't be a GS for you in any case would it? It would just be a reserve assignment off of LC right?

Depends....I again recommend you read the MEC Schedule Alert 19-07 that I linked to my earlier reply. It's spelled out right there. From the schedule alert:

"A pilot may also be awarded a GS rotation with a report that is earlier than ten hours after the end of the pilot’s last non-fly day (normally 1000 pilot base time). In such a case, the pilot would receive single pay, no credit (above the guarantee) for the first duty period, regardless of when the pilot is actually notified of the award.

Example:
At 0930 on his last X-day, a pilot is notified of a GS award for a rotation reporting at 0500 on his first on call day. Although the notification in this case occurs more than 12 hours prior to report, he will receive single pay, no credit (above the guarantee) for the first duty period of the rotation if he accepts the proffer"

This scenario is unique to coming off a non-fly day (i.e. GS on first day of RES block). If you are already on day 2 or 3 of your 5 day block of RES days and you take the GS, then it goes toward the guarantee, not above it.


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