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11-24-2018, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Baradium

...under your logic, if you worked 5 days of long call without an assignment you would be legal for a 4 day trip since you never had to answer the phone....

Never said that. I was only referring to the first assignment. And I also didn't say that every pilot flies illegally. The only issue here, which you are getting super spun up about and taking it personally, is the requirement to specifically notate R over an X or * day to get the extra 6 hours beyond what a 24 hour "off day" gives you. Since we don't have any obligation whatsoever to do anything coming off an off day for at least another 10 hours, including zero obligation to "schedule check" (especially during those first 6 hours in question, and especially at the stroke of midnight) how can it be duty or not rest during that period is there is zero obligation of any kind during that period?

11-24-2018, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1

...you're phone liable at midnight so you're not technically at rest...

How are you phone liable when you don't have to answer or even have it on?

11-24-2018, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

Just to clarify one thing in this thread. You do not have to have a phone with you or be immediately contactable on long call. You must check at least every 10 hours to see if you have been given an assignment if you want to leave yourself 2 hours to report.

Right. So with zero obligation of any kind whatsoever at midnight (and for at least 6 more hours to 6AM to get 30 total which is really the only point of this sub-thread) how is 00:00-06:00 considered an interruption of rest when you have no obligation whatsoever to do anything for the company whatsoever including be phone available or even be in the same state as your phone?

11-24-2018, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by gloopy

How are you phone liable when you don't have to answer or even have it on?

You have an obligation to respond if given an assignment. You have an obligation to the company, but not a responsibility for immediate contact. You are on duty.

11-24-2018, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by gloopy

I don’t think even long call is a interruption of rest. Kind of a joke. What I think is irrelevant however since the FAA says long call is not rest. That’s all that matters.

11-24-2018, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by gloopy

How are you phone liable when you don't have to answer or even have it on?

Long call pilots are never phone liable. You have no responsibility to acknowledge an assignment in any amount of time. You just have a responsibility to report to the airport within 12 hours of when they contact you.

And as sailing has said, long call is not rest.

11-24-2018, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by gloopy

If you have a single X day and are given an assignment the next day at 1000, iCrew will show rest from 2200-1000. The problem is that rest was assigned in the middle of your X day, so even though the total is 34 hours, you only had 24 hours prospectively identified when you went into your X day. So it doesn’t count as a 30 hour break. That’s why scheduling assigns the last 6 hours of your previous on call day as rest.

11-24-2018, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bugman61

But how is it not prospective when you know going into that single X day you can't possibly be given anything whatsoever, and you have zero obligation to the company to "schedule check" and no phone availability obligation, for at least 34 hours?