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Old 11-24-2018, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter View Post
You have an obligation to respond if given an assignment. You have an obligation to the company, but not a responsibility for immediate contact. You are on duty.
Mostly this^^^^^^^^. I believe technically you are not on duty but the key here is you are NOT on rest.

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You are correct in that you don't have to answer your phone right away but.....you still start your reserve long call obligation at 0001 and hence are not on rest.

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Old 11-24-2018, 03:07 PM
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Can the Dawgs stop Bama? Gonna be a good one.
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Old 11-24-2018, 05:52 PM
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You must be available for contact by Crew Scheduling at anytime while on long call. So, a single day off ends at 2359. While, what Sailing said is true in practice, that’s not what the contract says. You are also not required to check your schedule on a day off, however, you are expected to self-acknowledge an assignment on your first on-call day.
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Old 11-24-2018, 06:02 PM
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Can the Dawgs stop Bama? Gonna be a good one.
I think it will be a good game. Hopefully the Bama that played the first half of the Iron Bowl shows up. The second half Bama will beat UGA. Whoever wins it will be high scoring.

My prediction is Rednecks 52 leg humpers 45
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Old 11-24-2018, 08:26 PM
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But how is it not prospective when you know going into that single X day you can't possibly be given anything whatsoever, and you have zero obligation to the company to "schedule check" and no phone availability obligation, for at least 34 hours?
Under long call reserve, you are required to be notified of the duty period prior to beginning the rest required before starting it. The current practice is that you are considered to be notified when the company attempts contact (or if assigned early enough to have self notified at midnight). This is a notification requirement imposed by the company regardless of how easy they are trying to make it.



8900.1 Vol. 3 Ch. 58 Sec. 2, Understanding and Applying Part 117
"O. Long-Call Reserve. Long-call reserve means that, prior to beginning the rest period required by § 117.25, the flightcrew member is notified by the certificate holder to report for a flight duty period following the completion of the rest period."

Never said that. I was only referring to the first assignment. And I also didn't say that every pilot flies illegally. The only issue here, which you are getting super spun up about and taking it personally, is the requirement to specifically notate R over an X or * day to get the extra 6 hours beyond what a 24 hour "off day" gives you. Since we don't have any obligation whatsoever to do anything coming off an off day for at least another 10 hours, including zero obligation to "schedule check" (especially during those first 6 hours in question, and especially at the stroke of midnight) how can it be duty or not rest during that period is there is zero obligation of any kind during that period?
I'm not taking the question personally. I do admit some exasperation in having to try to explain the FAA definition of obligation to you though. Regardless of how you think it should be, the FAA says it isn't unbroken rest.
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Old 11-25-2018, 05:50 AM
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But how is it not prospective when you know going into that single X day you can't possibly be given anything whatsoever, and you have zero obligation to the company to "schedule check" and no phone availability obligation, for at least 34 hours?
This should clarify it for you.
from the PWA Sect 23. S.

3. A long call pilot:
a. must be available for contact by Crew Scheduling at any time while on-call.
furthermore from 23.S.3.d.2.b)
Note: A pilot is responsible for ascertaining whether he has been assigned a rotation or converted to short call under Section 23 S. 3. d. 2) b). Crew Scheduling is not required to make telephone contact for such an asaignment or conversion.
If you are on call, it does not count as rest. You also have an obligation to check you schedule on an X day. Bottom line, no matter how sympathetic you are to the company and crew scheduling, a single X day does not provide 30 hours of prospective rest. You must have additional time specifically designated as rest on your schedule.
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Old 11-25-2018, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane View Post
Mostly this^^^^^^^^. I believe technically you are not on duty but the key here is you are NOT on rest.

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Thanks for the correction.
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Old 11-25-2018, 12:06 PM
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How are you phone liable when you don't have to answer or even have it on?
And in a slight twist away from the reserve discussion... am I even required to have a phone at all?

I mean a cell phone and I'm on duty, that is, during a rotation.

For example, I'm on a 3 hour sit in between assigned flights and crew tracking decides they want to try to use me like an airport standby ready reserve. So they start blowing up my phone with re-route messages and CNO notifications.

But I'm asleep in the crew lounge with my ringer off or the phone turned off. Or maybe the battery is dead. Or I forgot and left it at home. Or maybe I don't even own a cell phone.

What exactly is my contactability obligation? Am I supposed to contstantly check my schedule.... just in case? What about during IROPS?
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I mean a cell phone and I'm on duty, that is, during a rotation.

For example, I'm on a 3 hour sit in between assigned flights and crew tracking decides they want to try to use me like an airport standby ready reserve. So they start blowing up my phone with re-route messages and CNO notifications.

But I'm asleep in the crew lounge with my ringer off or the phone turned off. Or maybe the battery is dead. Or I forgot and left it at home. Or maybe I don't even own a cell phone.

What exactly is my contactability obligation? Am I supposed to contstantly check my schedule.... just in case? What about during IROPS?
If you're on a trip or airport sit, you're not required to answer your phone at all.
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Originally Posted by UGBSM View Post
And in a slight twist away from the reserve discussion... am I even required to have a phone at all?

I mean a cell phone and I'm on duty, that is, during a rotation.

For example, I'm on a 3 hour sit in between assigned flights and crew tracking decides they want to try to use me like an airport standby ready reserve. So they start blowing up my phone with re-route messages and CNO notifications.

But I'm asleep in the crew lounge with my ringer off or the phone turned off. Or maybe the battery is dead. Or I forgot and left it at home. Or maybe I don't even own a cell phone.

What exactly is my contactability obligation? Am I supposed to contstantly check my schedule.... just in case? What about during IROPS?
You have no obligation at all.
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