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Old 08-10-2019 | 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I don’t know if the issues are weather or staffing however it sounds like you do. Can you give us some statistics on delays and cancellations caused by a lack of crews? I have however been involved in three of the IROPS in the NE in July and can tell you it’s been 10 years since I have seen the kind of ATC delays that the system is experiencing. The total number of summer flights is at levels well above previous levels. The ATC system can’t handle it. The difference I see at Delta however is a much more rapid recovery than other airlines even a smaller and far simpler operation like jet blue. We are dramatically better than AMR at JFK.
Personally I doubt more crews would solve the issues since most of it is ATC driven. I suppose we could staff for the worst weather delays possible and require the company to always have enough reserves so every pilot would only have to work when they feel like it. Not sure how long Delta would last doing that but at least to the end of my career.
The only data I have is that we’re setting records for green slip duty periods. That would seem to be tied to manning if not caused by it. I know NYC construction is causing havoc; did we plus up our manning for this foreseeable hurdle to an efficient operation? I am not aware of any changes, other than NYC below wing personnel posting artificial (early) departure times without notifying the pilots. Nothing like a D-8 ACARS ding at D-18 to fluster and confuse the flight crew...
Old 08-10-2019 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74
The only data I have is that we’re setting records for green slip duty periods. That would seem to be tied to manning if not caused by it. I know NYC construction is causing havoc; did we plus up our manning for this foreseeable hurdle to an efficient operation? I am not aware of any changes, other than NYC below wing personnel posting artificial (early) departure times without notifying the pilots. Nothing like a D-8 ACARS ding at D-18 to fluster and confuse the flight crew...
One thing we did do was cut out the staffing pads and cut hiring. Also cranked up 4 day trips with 8.5ish hour days mixed in to minimize credit. So when it goes to hell, it splatters and takes multiple pilots (that we don’t have) a pile more credit to cover.

I took off with 6 minutes to spare a few weeks ago and ended up blocking 9:21.

Crew cancellations have spiked the last little bit... before we nearly never cancelled. The weather hasn’t changed and ATC delays aren’t anything abnormal for said operation... so, we are left with...
Old 08-10-2019 | 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74
The only data I have is that we’re setting records for green slip duty periods. That would seem to be tied to manning if not caused by it. I know NYC construction is causing havoc; did we plus up our manning for this foreseeable hurdle to an efficient operation? I am not aware of any changes, other than NYC below wing personnel posting artificial (early) departure times without notifying the pilots. Nothing like a D-8 ACARS ding at D-18 to fluster and confuse the flight crew...
I would agree that in June we set a record however we have 14,500 pilots. I bet if you looked back to years like 2002/03 when we had 7000 pilots the percentage was far higher. I rarely see a GSWC and IA’s are not common. No vacations are being canceled ect...
The other issue is the volume of traffic in the NE is at very high levels. Even on perfect weather days it’s now the norm to have a ground delay into JFK. One thunderstorm in the area and the ATC system collapses.
Old 08-11-2019 | 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Bait
Found it—Weekly Update Dec 5 2018:


Reserve Pilot Change
On Monday, December 10, 2018 we will be loading a change to Reserve Pilots going into a Soft Non-Fly Day.
Reserve pilots on long call will be released either at 12:00pm base local OR following the end of SC or rotation (whichever is later). This release will be indicated by designated rest on your schedule.
CNO will notify pilots on long call and short call as early as 0800 base local. CNO will notify pilots on a rotation upon block-in prior to release.
The goal is to streamline the process between Hard Non-Fly Days and Soft Non-Fly Days. To give Reserve Pilots the ability to be automatically released into their off day, placed on rest and be available to pick-up trips on off days if they choose to.

Looks like the noon release didn’t apply to short call. There was a separate change announced bringing “most” short calls down to 9 hours. Good work getting released anyway!
Sorry, totally missed your reply yesterday. This is what I was looking for, thanks for digging it up!
Old 08-11-2019 | 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Bait
Found it—Weekly Update Dec 5 2018:


Reserve Pilot Change
On Monday, December 10, 2018 we will be loading a change to Reserve Pilots going into a Soft Non-Fly Day.
Reserve pilots on long call will be released either at 12:00pm base local OR following the end of SC or rotation (whichever is later). This release will be indicated by designated rest on your schedule.
CNO will notify pilots on long call and short call as early as 0800 base local. CNO will notify pilots on a rotation upon block-in prior to release. The goal is to streamline the process between Hard Non-Fly Days and Soft Non-Fly Days. To give Reserve Pilots the ability to be automatically released into their off day, placed on rest and be available to pick-up trips on off days if they choose to.

Looks like the noon release didn’t apply to short call. There was a separate change announced bringing “most” short calls down to 9 hours. Good work getting released anyway!
Great, now is this policy? If I don't make the permission call as if I had hard days are there consequences? I guess my next a call to skeds might answer this. I don't think I've ever received a CNO rest message.

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Old 08-11-2019 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I would agree that in June we set a record however we have 14,500 pilots. I bet if you looked back to years like 2002/03 when we had 7000 pilots the percentage was far higher. I rarely see a GSWC and IA’s are not common. No vacations are being canceled ect...
The other issue is the volume of traffic in the NE is at very high levels. Even on perfect weather days it’s now the norm to have a ground delay into JFK. One thunderstorm in the area and the ATC system collapses.
well, June 2019: 8,639 GS duty periods.
June 2002: 581
June 2003: 488

so i'd call the percentage far far lower back then with 7,000 pilots.

the past few weeks have seen OOBGSWC on multiple occasions.

trackers are even commenting in rotations as "will need to cover due to poor pilot staffing"

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Old 08-11-2019 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by tunes
well, June 2019: 8,6319 GS duty periods.
June 2002: 581
June 2003: 488

so i'd call the percentage far far lower back then with 7,000 pilots.

the past few weeks have seen OOBGSWC on multiple occasions.

trackers are even commenting in rotations as "will need to cover due to poor pilot staffing"
8,6319

Is this that Price is Right game where you have to remove the correct number to go the price of the car?
Old 08-11-2019 | 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ChecklistMonkey
8,6319

Is this that Price is Right game where you have to remove the correct number to go the price of the car?
good catch, 8,639
Old 08-11-2019 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by tunes
well, June 2019: 8,639 GS duty periods.
June 2002: 581
June 2003: 488

so i'd call the percentage far far lower back then with 7,000 pilots.

the past few weeks have seen OOBGSWC on multiple occasions.

trackers are even commenting in rotations as "will need to cover due to poor pilot staffing"
Those numbers don’t exactly leave any room to interpretation, haha.

Cut pads, build dumb trips, and down performance goes.
Old 08-11-2019 | 02:49 PM
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I flew with a CA recently who, on the same weekend, got OOBGS calls to 3 different bases.

That’s digging deep.
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