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07-16-2019 | 06:07 PM
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ATL73NB, for the rest of July, there's not a single day available to PD, much less several in a row to PD a 3- or 4-day trip. There are also 8 Q trips in open time despite the mantra that you can always just throw stuff on the swap board and it evaporates.
Yes, coverage is good enough to APD, assuming one didn't already burn that to make their daughter's graduation, or their 20th anniversary, or to help their sick family member, etc. Many folks have multiple important engagements a year and I think improving our mechanisms to get to them is reasonable and achievable. PD’s appear to be a viable option pre month often and some availability even 5 days out.
I do have a expectation of working during my employers most profitable and busy season. I get that others don’t have that expectation.
I'll study up on IVDs, which I've never used myself.
I understand you have low expectations, and everything is much better than it ever was. So are our profits. Me? I'd like to turn some of our profits (and negotiating capital) into schedule control tools to improve (my) qol. Sounds like you have different priorities, and that's fine with me.
Until something changes, pilots will just use sick leave where required, and CPOs everywhere will keep reminding folks in double speak that they always have that option.
Yes, coverage is good enough to APD, assuming one didn't already burn that to make their daughter's graduation, or their 20th anniversary, or to help their sick family member, etc. Many folks have multiple important engagements a year and I think improving our mechanisms to get to them is reasonable and achievable. PD’s appear to be a viable option pre month often and some availability even 5 days out.
I do have a expectation of working during my employers most profitable and busy season. I get that others don’t have that expectation.
I'll study up on IVDs, which I've never used myself.
I understand you have low expectations, and everything is much better than it ever was. So are our profits. Me? I'd like to turn some of our profits (and negotiating capital) into schedule control tools to improve (my) qol. Sounds like you have different priorities, and that's fine with me.
Until something changes, pilots will just use sick leave where required, and CPOs everywhere will keep reminding folks in double speak that they always have that option.
I get that some have the expectation of not working during their employers busiest season. My expectation is a bit different. I do however use the contractual tools available to me instead of complain. Working 7 days in August for 78 hours! No primary vacation in August but did get a secondary!
07-16-2019 | 06:15 PM
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Can you remove your text that you embedded into my quote?
07-16-2019 | 06:58 PM
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What exactly do you want. This discussion started about the inability to fly a low time schedule because no trip could be dropped. I offered many options to do that. Now you want to be able to drop trips with pay at will!
Edit, looked at the vacation wide reports. Looks like every pilot in every category I looked at had the option of a June, July or August vacation. There were secondary vacations awarded in those time frames.
Edit, looked at the vacation wide reports. Looks like every pilot in every category I looked at had the option of a June, July or August vacation. There were secondary vacations awarded in those time frames.
"drop trips with pay at will" Where do you get this stuff? APDs were at one time paid but I didn't even mention that. I'm talking about dropping trips to rearrange your schedule. I never said with pay. I'm talking about the 87 hour line with 16 days of work and you would like to drop a 4 day to get to 12 days and 66 hours for whatever reason. Maybe you even pick up 2 days later to get to 77 hours. This is never an issue in January.
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07-17-2019 | 02:23 AM
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This is not true. I bid any June, July, or August week as my primary and I've had a move-up bid in since the awards.
"drop trips with pay at will" Where do you get this stuff? APDs were at one time paid but I didn't even mention that. I'm talking about dropping trips to rearrange your schedule. I never said with pay. I'm talking about the 87 hour line with 16 days of work and you would like to drop a 4 day to get to 12 days and 66 hours for whatever reason. Maybe you even pick up 2 days later to get to 77 hours. This is never an issue in January.
"drop trips with pay at will" Where do you get this stuff? APDs were at one time paid but I didn't even mention that. I'm talking about dropping trips to rearrange your schedule. I never said with pay. I'm talking about the 87 hour line with 16 days of work and you would like to drop a 4 day to get to 12 days and 66 hours for whatever reason. Maybe you even pick up 2 days later to get to 77 hours. This is never an issue in January.
(notEnuf) I disagree, APDs, IVDs, have both been denied. I do OK because I have figured it out but for the over 50% in seat crowd very little can be done unless you drop everything and rebuild on the 20th. once the month starts there's no swapping unless you pick up days that are low.
07-17-2019 | 05:36 AM
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What exactly do you want. This discussion started about the inability to fly a low time schedule because no trip could be dropped. I offered many options to do that. Now you want to be able to drop trips with pay at will!
Edit, looked at the vacation wide reports. Looks like every pilot in every category I looked at had the option of a June, July or August vacation. There were secondary vacations awarded in those time frames.
Edit, looked at the vacation wide reports. Looks like every pilot in every category I looked at had the option of a June, July or August vacation. There were secondary vacations awarded in those time frames.
07-17-2019 | 05:45 AM
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07-17-2019 | 05:49 AM
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07-17-2019 | 07:04 AM
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APD and IVD perhaps but APD is unpaid and IVD is essentially unpaid because you are just shorting yourself later. If your intent is to drop to adjust your schedule these tools are a waste. Both APD and IVD days can't be used to pick up so you have to be stategic with using a single APD day which makes the other 3 APD days useless. IVD days are paid at vacation day value making them worth less than a trip of equal length and you lose pay and time off during your real vacation.
IVDs are yet one more optional tool available to us to make our lives just a bit better. I love them.
07-17-2019 | 07:16 AM
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You seem to be dismissing IVDs a bit too easily. They are one of the greatest improvements to the contract I've seen. Without going into details that only matter to me, I've used IVD's a couple of times to take days from a "throwaway" week of QVAC in January, and instead use them in far more important times of the year.
IVDs are yet one more optional tool available to us to make our lives just a bit better. I love them.
IVDs are yet one more optional tool available to us to make our lives just a bit better. I love them.
07-17-2019 | 07:54 AM
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July ALVs were 83ish. That means some people were awarded up to 90ish hours. With 5 day trips especially, PDs would not be granted unless it’s M-F. The M-F trip is probably not one many would try to drop. The real problem is the lengthening of domestic trips to eliminate 1-2 days and diminish the quality of 3 days. That combined with tight staffing means you are stuck with your initial award. The one time fixes (APD or IVD) give you very limited usefulness in rearranging a schedule but are great for just unpaid time off. They are not vacation and don’t come with hours of pay.
Our system is making us fly more with less ability to adjust particularly during the summer. These are facts. I think the readers understand the vector we are on with regard to scheduling. I hope to change that. If you don’t, fine. More money doesn’t solve my problem of being overworked during the months I prefer to be off more.
Our system is making us fly more with less ability to adjust particularly during the summer. These are facts. I think the readers understand the vector we are on with regard to scheduling. I hope to change that. If you don’t, fine. More money doesn’t solve my problem of being overworked during the months I prefer to be off more.
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