I want more time off for the same money. I guess that's more money for my time. Holiday pay achieves that, either I get more time off or I get paid more for the holiday. I'm not sure what the heartburn is all about but our company has a list of days which everyone else gets paid more for working. That list should apply to us.

 

We have never had holiday pay at Delta.

 

Those other employees with the exception of the flight attendants also work about 20 days a month for far less then pilots get paid. It’s not normal at almost any company to pay highly compensated employees holiday pay.
I would also discuss with the flight attendants how they get holiday pay. Hint: They don’t get it for the entire rotation in most cases unless it’s a turn.

 

It would be cheaper for the company than a 6 hour daily min. In either case it’s still going to completely change how rotations are built domestically. It will be a much more socialist bid package with trips starting earlier and ending later. Average trip length will get longer and turns will become extinct since you need long legs to get daily values up. It’s also going to be very expensive. I would rather have the money in pay rates and fly less if I choose.

 

Here's how one major airline deals with the subject:

Special Pay Day:
A Pilot shall receive Special Pay on January 1st, Martin Luther King Jr Day, July 4th, Memorial Day, fourth Thursday in November, and December 25th.

a. When the Pilot (or Instructor) is scheduled to work (including training) on a Special Pay Day designated in this Agreement, the Pilot shall be compensated at a rate of two (2) times the Pilot’s normal base rate of compensation for the scheduled or actual credit hours on that day or four (4) hours credit, whichever is greater.

b. Pilots required to layover on a Special Pay Day, but do not fly, will receive four hours (4:00) of Special Pay at their Regular Pay Rate. Pilots on reserve who do not fly will receive four hours (4:00) Special Pay at their Regular Pay Rate. If a Pilot is assigned a Secondary Pairing by Crew Services, any Special Pay in the Pairing will be guaranteed for the greater of the Pairing's Special Pay or what was actually flown on that day.

c. A Pilot in a training curriculum (at OSC) but not scheduled to train will receive four hours (4:00) of Special Pay at their Regular Pay Rate.

 

This means nothing. What is your argument? Curious you would use that phrase, which other highly compensated employees are working those days? We are hourly labor. Like it or not we are not owners, not managers, not salaried, and not exempt from FLSA.

You want money, I want time off. Time off is worth more because it comes with discretion. Sometimes its worth multiples more but you get to decide how much.

 

You seem to think there is choice when a line is built to 85 hours during the summer months. I believe we brought back color coding reserves available for a reason, and its not artistry.

 

We had paid “Authorized Leave.” Originally it was 5 days. When I was hired it 3 days. These days were negotiated to replace holidays. They were given up. Holiday pay by another name.

Denny

 

Or vacation by another name.

 

There are many ways to reduce how much you fly in a month even summer. There may be times when it’s impossible but with careful bidding and use of all available contractual options that would be rare.