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sailingfun 10-02-2019 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 2896863)
It seems that you can only request one block of days from 1 to 5 days long. If this is a bid and you don't get what you request, what happens? Do they put five days somewhere else? Do you get none? Weird that you can't fit any alternatives to your primary request. Or maybe I misunderstand how it works. Presumably a whole category can't be awarded golden days not to train over Christmas?

Your Golden days must be in well in advance. It is not a request and must be honored. That is the reason for putting them in so soon. When they build the CQ patterns they look at the Golden days. If every pilot in his training window bids 25-30 Dec off there will be no posted patterns those days. All the patterns will be filled. This means failure to bid Golden days can be a big mistake. If you are the only one without Golden days 25 to 30 Dec and there is a 25-27 Dec pattern you are getting it regardless of your seniority or actual training bids! Always bid Golden days in a Holiday month.
In addition you can’t be awarded training over your Golden days even if you bid for it. If a perfect BB training pattern shows up on 5 to 7 Jan and you put Gokden days 1 to 5 Jan you can’t be awarded it regardless of how you bid. That is why you have the option to use 1 to 5 days. If you want New Years off but don’t care about anything after the 2nd best to use only 2 days on 1 and 2 Jan.

TED74 10-02-2019 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2896922)
Your Golden days must be in well in advance. It is not a request and must be honored. That is the reason for putting them in so soon. When they build the CQ patterns they look at the Golden days. If every pilot in his training window bids 25-30 Dec off there will be no posted patterns those days. All the patterns will be filled. This means failure to bid Golden days can be a big mistake. If you are the only one without Golden days 25 to 30 Dec and there is a 25-27 Dec pattern you are getting it regardless of your seniority or actual training bids! Always bid Golden days in a Holiday month.
In addition you can’t be awarded training over your Golden days even if you bid for it. If a perfect BB training pattern shows up on 5 to 7 Jan and you put Gokden days 1 to 5 Jan you can’t be awarded it regardless of how you bid. That is why you have the option to use 1 to 5 days. If you want New Years off but don’t care about anything after the 2nd best to use only 2 days on 1 and 2 Jan.

Thanks. I didn't realize they were so powerful; perhaps we should use the term "post CQ golden days" instead of "bid".

I wish we had something analogous for IQ.

GogglesPisano 10-02-2019 07:31 AM

So if you neglect to even enter a CQ bid, will PBS honor your days off request in your monthly/default bid when assigning CQ?

Or are they 2 completely different animals?

crewdawg 10-02-2019 08:09 AM

What SF said above! You don't want to be the only one who didn't put a golden days over that holiday weekend. If they build a CQ pairing over that weekend and you're the only one without a golden day, you're getting the trip...even if you're the most senior pilot.

*Note: this is if you're in your must go month or there are equal number of CQ pairings and pilots up for training that month. Remember if there are 10 pilots up for training (early/may/must, doesn't matter) and there are 10 pairings...everyone is going to CQ.


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 2896948)
So if you neglect to even enter a CQ bid, will PBS honor your days off request in your monthly/default bid when assigning CQ?

Or are they 2 completely different animals?

It will only look at whatever is in your training bid.

sailingfun 10-02-2019 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 2896948)
So if you neglect to even enter a CQ bid, will PBS honor your days off request in your monthly/default bid when assigning CQ?

Or are they 2 completely different animals?

Different animals.

Han Solo 10-02-2019 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 2896882)
My understanding is the "golden days" bid in Icrew is binding, but it only protects up to 5 days.

On top of that you can go into PBS and input a "training bid" which you can ask for whatever you want, ie train/don't train, days to avoid, periods to avoid. Of course the PBS bid seems almost purely advisory although when I use it I seem to get weekends off which was my main goal anyway. You can use PBS to request or avoid all sorts of things in your training bid.

Thanks to all the replies, I was able to bid for my December golden days. I expect I will get them as XX days on RES since they are nowhere near the holidays, I scheduled my HPDE figuring early to mid December would be easy to get my requested days off. Thanks for this PBS tip as well, I would LOVE to train as close to the holidays as possible since I’m guaranteed a trip if I’m not in the sim.

sailingfun 10-02-2019 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by Han Solo (Post 2896972)
Thanks to all the replies, I was able to bid for my December golden days. I expect I will get them as XX days on RES since they are nowhere near the holidays, I scheduled my HPDE figuring early to mid December would be easy to get my requested days off. Thanks for this PBS tip as well, I would LOVE to train as close to the holidays as possible since I’m guaranteed a trip if I’m not in the sim.

Just to be clear, you don’t bid for Golden days. They are yours to place where you want and you can’t train over Golden days period.

CoefficientX 10-02-2019 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2896991)
Just to be clear, you don’t bid for Golden days. They are yours to place where you want and you can’t train over Golden days period.

Be careful using golden days. Once they are on your schedule they cannot be removed. I understand their value for holiday bidding but outside of a holiday I’ll never use them again.

FL370esq 10-02-2019 10:27 AM

There always seem to be a few who forget to bid CQ Golden Days and will be traveling to Atlanta on Thanksgiving Day to hop in that A-period sim on Black Friday as well as those who forget to lead their CQ bids with "Avoid Voluntary Training" in their early month. 😁

Han Solo 10-02-2019 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2896991)
Just to be clear, you don’t bid for Golden days. They are yours to place where you want and you can’t train over Golden days period.

Poor terminology on my part.


Originally Posted by CoefficientX (Post 2897021)
Be careful using golden days. Once they are on your schedule they cannot be removed. I understand their value for holiday bidding but outside of a holiday I’ll never use them again.

I'm glad those days are sacrosanct, I really need those days off! Now as long as every pilot doesn't decide they really want to work during their kids winter break I should have zero problem getting the XX days I want earlier in the month :).


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