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OOfff 04-28-2021 06:07 AM

Also, Drum , if you’re actually 50% in NYC 7ERB, you absolutely are on reserve by choice. Sen #10100 has a full line, and that’s page 22/32 on the wide report, which puts them at about a year less seniority than you

Crown 04-28-2021 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3227603)
I love when pilots who didn’t spend a decade flying RJs and turboprops on pre-117 schedules complain about how hard scheduling is. The lack of perspective in some people is amazing.

the horror story I like to tell from my regional days was sitting reserve for 6 days on, 2 days off, 5 days on. Commute in night before the rsv because our regional was AM reserve by default. So 2 leg it to day 1. First 5 days, nothing. Get a call on day 5, converting me to PM reserve so I can operate a turn on day 6, making it uncommutable. 26 hours at home, exact same thing happens on the next stretch. So in 2 weeks, making 20K a year, I was home for 26 hours.

But yeah, Delta has the worst reserve rules in the industry. :rolleyes:

OOfff 04-28-2021 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by Crown (Post 3227616)
the horror story I like to tell from my regional days was sitting reserve for 6 days on, 2 days off, 5 days on. Commute in night before the rsv because our regional was AM reserve by default. So 2 leg it to day 1. First 5 days, nothing. Get a call on day 5, converting me to PM reserve so I can operate a turn on day 6, making it uncommutable. 26 hours at home, exact same thing happens on the next stretch. So in 2 weeks, making 20K a year, I was home for 26 hours.

But yeah, Delta has the worst reserve rules in the industry. :rolleyes:

Exactly. Even among major airlines, our reserve is cake. Im sure drum wouldn’t love UAL’s global reserve or AA’s short and long call lines.


I carry an old printed trip sheet in my flight bag to remind me of a 20-leg 3-day with two 8-hour overnights just to keep myself in check. It paid me almost $450!

DWC CAP10 USAF 04-28-2021 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by BlueSkies (Post 3227477)


Thanks for the info, I believe I was the only pilot in the days of avail grouping.

Check out PWA 23.S for more info about the Reserve Utilization Order (RUO).

But in a nutshell:
- Open time is assigned to reserve pilots (within days-of-availability groupings) beginning with the reserve pilots within the lowest RAW value grouping and then progressing to the reserve pilots within the next higher RAW value grouping.

- Within days-of-availability groupings, reserve pilots whose RAW values are in the same RAW value grouping will be assigned open time in inverse seniority order unless one or more of them have submitted a yellow slip.

fishforfun 04-28-2021 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3227620)
Exactly. Even among major airlines, our reserve is cake. Im sure drum wouldn’t love UAL’s global reserve or AA’s short and long call lines.


I carry an old printed trip sheet in my flight bag to remind me of a 20-leg 3-day with two 8-hour overnights just to keep myself in check. It paid me almost $450!

I had a fresh out of auburn flight school quick spin at the regionals 20 something at a pilot hiring conference tell me it would be good for me to get some experience at the regionals to see what a 5 leg day was all about. I let her go on and on and finally said I’ve done my share of 5 leg days, with body armor and NVGs on. That was the end of our conversation. I hoped she gained some humility for us lowly 3000 hour mil pilots. We’ve all gone through the suck. We can play the “I had it harder than you” forever. There is always someone out there that had it worse and someone that had it better. Just because you may think you suffered more (nice victim mentality) doesn’t mean we can’t improve things. I tend to agree, our reserve system is far better than most airlines. But it could be improved.

OOfff 04-28-2021 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by fishforfun (Post 3227637)
I had a fresh out of auburn flight school quick spin at the regionals 20 something at a pilot hiring conference tell me it would be good for me to get some experience at the regionals to see what a 5 leg day was all about. I let her go on and on and finally said I’ve done my share of 5 leg days, with body armor and NVGs on. That was the end of our conversation. I hoped she gained some humility for us lowly 3000 hour mil pilots. We’ve all gone through the suck. We can play the “I had it harder than you” forever. There is always someone out there that had it worse and someone that had it better. Just because you may think you suffered more (nice victim mentality) doesn’t mean we can’t improve things. I tend to agree, our reserve system is far better than most airlines. But it could be improved.

I’m not saying my suck was worse or better than anyone else’s (nice reflexive defensiveness). I’m saying Drum’s delta suck is not bad at all.

fishforfun 04-28-2021 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3227642)
I’m not saying my suck was worse or better than anyone else’s (nice reflexive defensiveness). I’m saying Drum’s delta suck is not bad at all.

Really? “I love when pilots who didn’t spend a decade flying RJs and turboprops on pre-117 schedules complain about how hard scheduling is. The lack of perspective in some people is amazing.”

Sure sounds like it here.

Crown 04-28-2021 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by fishforfun (Post 3227637)
We’ve all gone through the suck. We can play the “I had it harder than you” forever. There is always someone out there that had it worse and someone that had it better. Just because you may think you suffered more (nice victim mentality) doesn’t mean we can’t improve things. I tend to agree, our reserve system is far better than most airlines. But it could be improved.

Drum was saying they made a mistake coming to Delta instead of FedEx. I have a feeling that no matter how much we improve reserve and other things in our contract, Drum will never be happy here. That's a choice. There are a ton of things that need improving here, and we can all agree on that. That doesn't mean you should be thinking "if only I was at (insert airline here) my life would be perfect." I have buddies at every airline that can't comprehend some of our awesome things, and also can't comprehend some of our not so awesome things.

OOfff 04-28-2021 07:17 AM


Originally Posted by fishforfun (Post 3227649)
Really? “I love when pilots who didn’t spend a decade flying RJs and turboprops on pre-117 schedules complain about how hard scheduling is. The lack of perspective in some people is amazing.”

Sure sounds like it here.

yes, that’s dramatically worse than delta suck

redblueskies 04-28-2021 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3227505)
2 days is not enough to get Malarone especially when you get awarded that DSS trip on a Friday for a Sunday departure.

Just happened to me. That's why I hate ****ing reserve on the ER. When I was a line holder (I'm 50% in category and getting reserve BTW - not by choice) I would bid avoid any malaria destination. Unfortunately as reserve you don't get a choice. I don't keep malarone on the shelf either. See above line holder comment.

I tried frantically to get some malarone on a Friday before my trip. No luck. Heck if I was a junky and needed methadone, I could walk into a local clinic and get it for free no questions 24/7. Try to get Malarone in a day? Two? No dice. Hopefully I put enough deet on me to prevent from getting bitten. Guess I'll find out if that worked soon enough.

I am really starting to hate my decision to come to DAL 5 years ago. Should have gone with FedEx. At least there you get better service for going to places that require this crap. Our reserve rules suck. Our union sucks since the ATL surrender mob took over. Been really quiet lately. WTF.

Rant over. and hoping I didn't get malaria.

I agree with you. If you don't live in a DAL hub I'd never recommend DAL over any other major. Most anti labor adversarial management in the industry, practically worthless complicit union. Work rules are terrible especially considering it's the most profitable company in the history of airlines.

I'm not sure why these losers are trying to prop the company up with comparisons of the worst regionals and Delta of decades ago that made a small fraction of the money (yet whose PWA on a whole was worth much more when not cherry picking the bad reserve rules). Oh, that's right, this web board is full of management shills. The web sites frequented by real pilots that have to verify they're real line pilots and can't hide in anonymity all agree with your sentiment.


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