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Rooster435 09-02-2021 03:31 AM

Is there a prohibition on the company taking a trip from one base, adding deadheads on both sides and moving it to another base? I know I've seen this before and the trip has a note that says “for reserve only”.

Was hoping to pickup the rare GSWC for 3 trips that were in open time last night. I looked this morning and they had all disappeared. Found them in the ATL trip coverage built with deadheads on front and back end and awarded as green slips to regular pilots.

I couldn’t find anything in the PWA but I’m not sure where to look.

sailingfun 09-02-2021 04:03 AM


Originally Posted by Rooster435 (Post 3289170)
Is there a prohibition on the company taking a trip from one base, adding deadheads on both sides and moving it to another base? I know I've seen this before and the trip has a note that says “for reserve only”.

Was hoping to pickup the rare GSWC for 3 trips that were in open time last night. I looked this morning and they had all disappeared. Found them in the ATL trip coverage built with deadheads on front and back end and awarded as green slips to regular pilots.

I couldn’t find anything in the PWA but I’m not sure where to look.

Delta can move a trip to another base however if they do so it must be covered by a reserve pilot. If they can’t cover it with a reserve the trip must be returned to the original base and covered via the trip coverage ladder. This is a clear violation of the contract and probably the one I see happen most often. Whoever should have been awarded the trip in the original base should be paid. Submit it to ALPA. The trip coverage sequence is section 23N.
This happens often because the scheduler must manually rebuild the trip to move it. They then find out the reserves they thought they had are illegal or otherwise unavailable. At this point they are supposed to rebuild the trip again and move it back but it’s much less workload to simply cover it in the base it now resides with a white or greenslip.

Rooster435 09-02-2021 04:20 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3289174)
Delta can move a trip to another base however if they do so it must be covered by a reserve pilot. If they can’t cover it with a reserve the trip must be returned to the original base and covered via the trip coverage ladder. This is a clear violation of the contract and probably the one I see happen most often. Whoever should have been awarded the trip in the original base should be paid. Submit it to ALPA. The trip coverage sequence is section 23N.
This happens often because the scheduler must manually rebuild the trip to move it. They then find out the reserves they thought they had are illegal or otherwise unavailable. At this point they are supposed to rebuild the trip again and move it back but it’s much less workload to simply cover it in the base it now resides with a white or greenslip.


Thanks Sailing. What section of the PWA addresses this? I could not find anything in my search.


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dc10guy 09-02-2021 04:43 AM

Is there a reason APC will not open in safari?

BaldEagleSq 09-02-2021 06:51 AM


Originally Posted by dc10guy (Post 3289182)
Is there a reason APC will not open in safari?

Try clearing Cookies on your browser.

rickair7777 made a post on the Help Forum re: Display Issues.

Guess APC made some changes to the forum skin/appearance and required Cookies to be cleared.

NuGuy 09-02-2021 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by Rooster435 (Post 3289177)
Thanks Sailing. What section of the PWA addresses this? I could not find anything in my search.


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Coverage ladders found in 23 N & O

FangsF15 09-02-2021 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by Rooster435 (Post 3289170)
Is there a prohibition on the company taking a trip from one base, adding deadheads on both sides and moving it to another base? I know I've seen this before and the trip has a note that says “for reserve only”.

Was hoping to pickup the rare GSWC for 3 trips that were in open time last night. I looked this morning and they had all disappeared. Found them in the ATL trip coverage built with deadheads on front and back end and awarded as green slips to regular pilots.

I couldn’t find anything in the PWA but I’m not sure where to look.

Please submit those via the ACE app. Absolutely illegal. You may not get paid, but someone (or 3 someone’s) will.

gloopy 09-02-2021 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3289174)
Delta can move a trip to another base however if they do so it must be covered by a reserve pilot. If they can’t cover it with a reserve the trip must be returned to the original base and covered via the trip coverage ladder. This is a clear violation of the contract and probably the one I see happen most often. Whoever should have been awarded the trip in the original base should be paid. Submit it to ALPA. The trip coverage sequence is section 23N.
This happens often because the scheduler must manually rebuild the trip to move it. They then find out the reserves they thought they had are illegal or otherwise unavailable. At this point they are supposed to rebuild the trip again and move it back but it’s much less workload to simply cover it in the base it now resides with a white or greenslip.

Good explanation. This is one (of many) reasons why there needs to be a comprehensive automatic review of every single trip like this as well as many other types. For every time a line pilot happens to see a trip like this disappear then happens to follow up and see it go to GS/WS coverage in another base then happens to follow up again, there's probably 100 times it sneaks under the radar. That only incentivises the unilateral "deny deny deny" stratedgy. That doesn't just effect one pilot who may have gotten something lucrative but for their lack of gumshoe investigation; it cascades all across the pilot group and many pilots lose out that can't possibly know they lost out. If the needed review can happen with an app, awesome. If it takes 100% manual review by scheduling ninjas, so be it.

GogglesPisano 09-02-2021 11:06 AM

So there was the “M”* today in NYC.


IA with Conflict. 🥂

Gone Flying 09-02-2021 03:14 PM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3289399)
So there was the “M”* today in NYC.


IA with Conflict. 🥂

I’m assuming 73NA?


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