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Bucking Bar 01-01-2010 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 736485)
I was in ATL today when the bid was posted. A certain VP was there to take questions and to pass out thank-you meals for flying on the holiday.

I eavesdropped on a conversation he had with another man dressed in a suit and here's what I heard.

NOTE: infer what you want from these comments.

-- the decision to NOT furlough was made 18 months ago, that is over.
-- marketing has already come to ops and told us that they need more bodies on domestic. We agreed to set the ALVs on all domestic categories to 82 hours this summer. They wanted more, but we didn't have the bodies and training availability to make it happen.
-- marketing is now asking us to bolster international categories ... NOW! and we simply don't have the bodies. expect that to get readdressed on the June AE.

Here's an idea. CNX the displacements and hire for the NB. Saves 3 training events per position.

80ktsClamp 01-01-2010 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by rvr350 (Post 736493)
Just a question about the training sequence. Which of the following gets trained first? AE or VD/MD? I just wanna see how long I'll be on reserve in my new category before guys junior to me gets trained on the new a/c.

Thanks.


I think AE first... seniority order.

I know between VD and MD.... its seniority for VD and inverse seniority for MD.

CFIfornow 01-01-2010 07:41 PM

FYI on the flow through. The most junior guy to flow from Mesaba was a '95 hire there. That's at least 13 years of 121 experiance before going to Delta. Even if the the flow ran continuously for a number of years you would not see any one from Mesaba with less then 10 years experiance. Lets conservatively say that they average 700 hrs per year. That's at least 7000 hrs of 121 time before moving to Delta.

hiredgun 01-01-2010 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by CFIfornow (Post 736501)
FYI on the flow through. The most junior guy to flow from Mesaba was a '95 hire there. That's at least 13 years of 121 experiance before going to Delta. Even if the the flow ran continuously for a number of years you would not see any one from Mesaba with less then 10 years experiance. Lets conservatively say that they average 700 hrs per year. That's at least 7000 hrs of 121 time before moving to Delta.

So what. Delta doesn't screen all the other applicants for just flight time. They look at their personal background, references, etc. Flow-through saves these guys the trouble of bearing further scrutiny, having to compete against the most highly qualified applicants from other carriers, corporate, the military etc. Being qualified or eminently qualified is one thing, outshining the other eminently qualified applicants is another. What if a Compass/Mesaba flow-through pilot has a history of failures in training, disciplinary problems, or is a chronic problem child? I know I know, they're all Eagle Scouts. When I worked for a commuter years ago, one of the highest time captains at the airline was fired for flagrant unprofessional conduct which was the last straw in a litany of problematic behavior...and he was a commuter...the nerve! Most of us were shocked he lasted as long as he did. His fat logbook didn't do him any good since he was a complete disaster as an employee. Really none of this discussion matters other then to argue, "yah but Mesaba and Compass guys got lotsa hours, they're qualified!" I got that. If Delta encounters a flow-through problem child they'll have to deal with them after they're on the property. A good deal for those pilots for sure, but a flawed and imprudent process from the perspective of those tasked with hiring.

CFIfornow 01-01-2010 09:16 PM


Originally Posted by hiredgun (Post 736525)
So what. Delta doesn't screen all the other applicants for just flight time. They look at their personal background, references, etc. Flow-through saves these guys the trouble of bearing further scrutiny, having to compete against the most highly qualified applicants from other carriers, corporate, the military etc. Being qualified or eminently qualified is one thing, outshining the other eminently qualified applicants is another. What if a Compass/Mesaba flow-through pilot has a history of failures in training, disciplinary problems, or is a chronic problem child? I know I know, they're all Eagle Scouts. When I worked for a commuter years ago, one of the highest time captains at the airline was fired for flagrant unprofessional conduct which was the last straw in a litany of problematic behavior...and he was a commuter...the nerve! Most of us were shocked he lasted as long as he did. His fat logbook didn't do him any good since he was a complete disaster as an employee. Really none of this discussion matters other then to argue, "yah but Mesaba and Compass guys got lotsa hours, they're qualified!" I got that. If Delta encounters a flow-through problem child they'll have to deal with them after they're on the property. A good deal for those pilots for sure, but a flawed and imprudent process from the perspective of those tasked with hiring.

I didn’t state any differently, if fact I agree 100% that this is an inherent flaw in the system. I was just trying to put some perspective on a couple of posts from a few pages ago which inferred that being hired by Mesaba was some how a fast track to Delta. ( I can’t speak to the Compass side.)

RockyBoy 01-01-2010 09:39 PM


Originally Posted by BusDrvr (Post 736484)
Why didn't you stagger your bid 90%73N, 90%320, 91%73N, 91%320, and so on, or something to that effect?

Well, I don't know why now that I think about it. I really didn't think I would be able to MD to the 737 because there were only 5 or so guys junior to me before the bid. I've also flown the 320 before so I just put that as my number 1 with no restrictions since training should be easier. I was just surprised to see the 800 seniority stay about where it was before the bid. I thought more of the senior 90 guys would MD to the 800 instead of going for the 320.

I'm 100% satisfied with where I'm at, now lets bring on newhires and some growth in SEA and LAX so some of us left coast guys can get a better life.

newKnow 01-01-2010 09:50 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 736464)
Open up the cockpit door after landing, spike your hat on the ground and start dancing around it.... HOW YOU LIKE THAT LANDING, FOOLS??!! THERES MORE WHERE THAT CAME FROM!!!

80,

You're killin' me! I will try that for my next landing. :D

HVYinRESERVE 01-01-2010 10:34 PM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 736536)
I'm 100% satisfied with where I'm at, now lets bring on newhires and some growth in SEA and LAX so some of us left coast guys can get a better life.

Amen to that!

acl65pilot 01-02-2010 12:55 AM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 736485)
I was in ATL today when the bid was posted. A certain VP was there to take questions and to pass out thank-you meals for flying on the holiday.

I eavesdropped on a conversation he had with another man dressed in a suit and here's what I heard.

NOTE: infer what you want from these comments.

-- the decision to NOT furlough was made 18 months ago, that is over.
-- marketing has already come to ops and told us that they need more bodies on domestic. We agreed to set the ALVs on all domestic categories to 82 hours this summer. They wanted more, but we didn't have the bodies and training availability to make it happen.
-- marketing is now asking us to bolster international categories ... NOW! and we simply don't have the bodies. expect that to get readdressed on the June AE.

All correct. Most will get reinstated if they want to be. 300 is a low number for new bodies.

contrails 01-02-2010 01:44 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 736410)
My advice to all new pilots is skip getting a degree. Go to Compass or Mesaba and just flow up. A degree is for suckers.

You come across in almost every post as not only bitter, but uninformed.

Are you going to be like that for the net three decades at your employer? :(

The meat of my short little post here is, it was mentioned that applicants must meet the Delta hiring mins as well as the requirements to flow. So what you've sarcastically suggested (or maybe not) is incorrect.


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