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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
(Post 736485)
I was in ATL today when the bid was posted. A certain VP was there to take questions and to pass out thank-you meals for flying on the holiday.
I eavesdropped on a conversation he had with another man dressed in a suit and here's what I heard. NOTE: infer what you want from these comments. -- the decision to NOT furlough was made 18 months ago, that is over. -- marketing has already come to ops and told us that they need more bodies on domestic. We agreed to set the ALVs on all domestic categories to 82 hours this summer. They wanted more, but we didn't have the bodies and training availability to make it happen. -- marketing is now asking us to bolster international categories ... NOW! and we simply don't have the bodies. expect that to get readdressed on the June AE. |
Originally Posted by rvr350
(Post 736493)
Just a question about the training sequence. Which of the following gets trained first? AE or VD/MD? I just wanna see how long I'll be on reserve in my new category before guys junior to me gets trained on the new a/c.
Thanks. I think AE first... seniority order. I know between VD and MD.... its seniority for VD and inverse seniority for MD. |
FYI on the flow through. The most junior guy to flow from Mesaba was a '95 hire there. That's at least 13 years of 121 experiance before going to Delta. Even if the the flow ran continuously for a number of years you would not see any one from Mesaba with less then 10 years experiance. Lets conservatively say that they average 700 hrs per year. That's at least 7000 hrs of 121 time before moving to Delta.
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Originally Posted by CFIfornow
(Post 736501)
FYI on the flow through. The most junior guy to flow from Mesaba was a '95 hire there. That's at least 13 years of 121 experiance before going to Delta. Even if the the flow ran continuously for a number of years you would not see any one from Mesaba with less then 10 years experiance. Lets conservatively say that they average 700 hrs per year. That's at least 7000 hrs of 121 time before moving to Delta.
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Originally Posted by hiredgun
(Post 736525)
So what. Delta doesn't screen all the other applicants for just flight time. They look at their personal background, references, etc. Flow-through saves these guys the trouble of bearing further scrutiny, having to compete against the most highly qualified applicants from other carriers, corporate, the military etc. Being qualified or eminently qualified is one thing, outshining the other eminently qualified applicants is another. What if a Compass/Mesaba flow-through pilot has a history of failures in training, disciplinary problems, or is a chronic problem child? I know I know, they're all Eagle Scouts. When I worked for a commuter years ago, one of the highest time captains at the airline was fired for flagrant unprofessional conduct which was the last straw in a litany of problematic behavior...and he was a commuter...the nerve! Most of us were shocked he lasted as long as he did. His fat logbook didn't do him any good since he was a complete disaster as an employee. Really none of this discussion matters other then to argue, "yah but Mesaba and Compass guys got lotsa hours, they're qualified!" I got that. If Delta encounters a flow-through problem child they'll have to deal with them after they're on the property. A good deal for those pilots for sure, but a flawed and imprudent process from the perspective of those tasked with hiring.
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Originally Posted by BusDrvr
(Post 736484)
Why didn't you stagger your bid 90%73N, 90%320, 91%73N, 91%320, and so on, or something to that effect?
I'm 100% satisfied with where I'm at, now lets bring on newhires and some growth in SEA and LAX so some of us left coast guys can get a better life. |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 736464)
Open up the cockpit door after landing, spike your hat on the ground and start dancing around it.... HOW YOU LIKE THAT LANDING, FOOLS??!! THERES MORE WHERE THAT CAME FROM!!!
You're killin' me! I will try that for my next landing. :D |
Originally Posted by RockyBoy
(Post 736536)
I'm 100% satisfied with where I'm at, now lets bring on newhires and some growth in SEA and LAX so some of us left coast guys can get a better life.
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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
(Post 736485)
I was in ATL today when the bid was posted. A certain VP was there to take questions and to pass out thank-you meals for flying on the holiday.
I eavesdropped on a conversation he had with another man dressed in a suit and here's what I heard. NOTE: infer what you want from these comments. -- the decision to NOT furlough was made 18 months ago, that is over. -- marketing has already come to ops and told us that they need more bodies on domestic. We agreed to set the ALVs on all domestic categories to 82 hours this summer. They wanted more, but we didn't have the bodies and training availability to make it happen. -- marketing is now asking us to bolster international categories ... NOW! and we simply don't have the bodies. expect that to get readdressed on the June AE. |
Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 736410)
My advice to all new pilots is skip getting a degree. Go to Compass or Mesaba and just flow up. A degree is for suckers.
Are you going to be like that for the net three decades at your employer? :( The meat of my short little post here is, it was mentioned that applicants must meet the Delta hiring mins as well as the requirements to flow. So what you've sarcastically suggested (or maybe not) is incorrect. |
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