Thanks new! :) The DC9 will always have a place in my heart, but she's just too leaky & hot for me. ;)

Yeah, I downloaded the 320 manuals before bid period 5 transition to make sure I could still have them if I ended up on it.

Why, oh, why did we use the Boeing books instead of those? It would be so easy to keep sopa/smac around and still ensure technique is allowed...

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I'd hope they melded our rates with AS 737 rates and work outward from there. It's a little more than 5%.

Whatever happens to JAL route wise is not for us (as pilots) to choose, thats a business decision pure and simple. What is for us to choose is how we (as a union and pilots) would reach out to those affected by this (potential) turn of events.

I am hopeful for a JAL JV. The skyteam currently is the place to be. I also support a bid for AS and think sooner is better - despite the pain on both sides.

1-5 years from now, IMO there will be a reduction in global airline capacity. So I don't look at this JAL move as just a win in Asia, but instead an added essential element to our global airline network. In the future, personally, I'd like to be one of the folks that still has a job and I think the skyteam will be one of the survivors.

Check me off as bullish on skyteam.

At DAL-S we used to have some very good, detailed in-house books as well--in most respects much better, I believe, than the Boeing books we use now.

I have heard that liability was the reason we went to Boeing books. I've also heard that since Boeing's (simplistic) books were sold to operators worldwide, if we used them as well, we could do the training for other airline's crews, using the same books, and make more $$ in the process.

I'm sure your pre-merger books were far superior, as our old ones were.

Well, even after our last 4% raise on Jan. 1, we're still paid less than American pilots are. Im thinking much bigger numbers :D

The market value of the stock when issued to the pilots was $4.28. That's been a very good return thus far! I'm still hangin on.:D

I've heard similar reports on the old DAL-S books.


I'm a southie, by the way.

If we have to merge with AS to keep them, I hope we just buy the 50 73N's instead, because I'd hate to see us all abandon our SLI positions we fought for to "the death" just 12 short months ago.

North guys would have to abandon our DOH argument. (I think. What is the DOH of the senior AK pilot?)

South guys would have to abandon their "But, you are getting a payraise" argument. (unless you advocate their 737 pilots coming in above our 7er pilots. I think they get paid more.)

If the JAL deal goes thru, I do think AMR goes after AK, big time.

What fun. Does the ride ever end? :)

Delta wrote and used their own books until about 5 years ago. They were great books. Full sized and lots of nice pictures. I still have my 767 and 727 books. They told us at the time that we went to the Boeing books because it was a liability issue and the lawyers and insurance had driven the change.

I was talking to the person who wrote the FCTM for the MD88, my understanding is our "Boeing" books were actually written in house based off the 777 manual or the 767 manual and then made to match. Or maybe that was just the case on the 88.

I agree with 80, download the 320, 9, 330 or 744 manuals while they're still good lookin.