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Old 01-19-2010 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Oh, I beg to differ. For sure on the songwriter front...drummers? I'll get back to you on that. For starters, how about Coldplay, OneRepublic, Keane, Fall Out Boy, The Fray. All excellent wordsmiths and songwriters. For a drummer, see the Foo Fighters dude, who now sings and plays guitar.
They write good songs...but not as thought provoking as the ones written by Peart. Plus....I have to ask, did your teenage daughter write that list of bands? :-)
Old 01-19-2010 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
You can drop until zero. And then your paycheck = zero. As long as there is reserve coverage, you are good to go. Plus, you get your once a year APD meaning you can drop just about any trip. That's what I did for Thanksgiving. No pay either but the reserve coverage levels are like 25% or something. Just put it in, you get in. Every year they credit another one for you.
Really? Wow. I've got to find out more about that. Can anyone point me in the right direction? (Contract, Section: Good Deals??)

On that note, I'll take this as an opportunity to point out two parts of the new DAL contract that is better than what we had up north.

1. This APD thing, if it is what I think it is, is better.
2. The vacation plan is better, because I get more of it. (I can't believe I still have three weeks to bidAND I don't have to let the company split a portion of it up for that crappy monthly vacation.)

So, when I complain later, please don't say I never said anything good about the new.


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Old 01-19-2010 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Really? Wow. I've got to find out more about that. Can anyone point me in the right direction? (Contract, Section: Good Deals??)

On that note, I'll take this as an opportunity to point out two parts of the new DAL contract that is better than what we had up north.

1. This APD thing, if it is what I think it is, is better.
2. The vacation plan is better, because I get more of it. (I can't believe I still have three weeks to bidAND I don't have to let the company split a portion of it up for that crappy monthly vacation.)

So, when I complain later, please don't say I never said anything good about the new.


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Section 23.I (here is a portion):
An APD request will be granted if, at the time of processing, the:
a. number of reserves available in the category is at least 25% of the number of reserves
required (as determined by the reserves required formula under Section 23 W., and as
shown in DBMS),
Exception: An APD request may be denied regardless of the number of reserves
available during the period commencing two days before and ending one day after the
following:
1) New Year’s Day
2) Super Bowl Sunday
3) Good Friday
4) Easter
5) Memorial Day
6) Independence Day
7) Labor Day
8) Thanksgiving Day
9) Christmas Day
and
b. pilot has not been granted an APD since the first day of the bid period containing the
last anniversary of his date of hire, and
c. pilot has requested to drop:
1) a single rotation of any length,
2) multiple rotations totaling no more than four consecutive days,
3) no more than four consecutive reserve on-call days, or
4) a combination of rotations and reserve on-call days totaling no more than four
consecutive days.
Old 01-19-2010 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
So.. like any of the guys from the south can do ANYTHING about any of this..... WE are getting TIRED of the "NWA's way was better yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada" Just what in the he!! do you want US to do about it? Call your reps.. Call Lee Moak... Call Richard Anderson, but give it a rest here. Please.

Rant over.

Kiffin...sucks...
Concerning you, I suppose I should be talking about football then you maybe interested. How do you suppose something might be better if you don't know about it??? Ok, I'll give it a rest.

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Old 01-19-2010 | 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Oh, I beg to differ. For sure on the songwriter front...drummers? I'll get back to you on that. For starters, how about Coldplay, OneRepublic, Keane, Fall Out Boy, The Fray. All excellent wordsmiths and songwriters. For a drummer, see the Foo Fighters dude, who now sings and plays guitar.
Don't forget Nickelback....

Nickelback Voted Worst Band In The World | CHARTattack

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Old 01-19-2010 | 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by kamsman
Is there some kind of software or email subscription that will tell us when a trip comes open on the open board? Also I have a MAC and dont want to download any windows on to my computer. Navtech doesn't work but I heard there might be a pay 2.99/month bid assist program that does. Is this true and if so what is it called?

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Old 01-19-2010 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TheManager
We need professionals. RA, JG. Both lawyers. Did not negoatiate their own contracts.
Who negotiated their contracts on their behalf?


Originally Posted by TheManager
I mean really? That non airline person you refer to would more than likely be a team of seasoned legal professionals adept at contract and labor law.
Just a couple of questions:

- are you ok with just any kind of contract and labor law or should they be intimately knowledgeable with airline contracts and labor practices?

- How do you recommend that we motivate this legal team of experts to come out of the negotiations with no money left on the table (I assume that this is the real reason you don't like the negotiating that is currently in place and believe that the negotiation is a zero sum game).

- Which side of the table, in your opinion, needs to be focused on a longer term viability for corporate success, the company or the pilots union?
Old 01-19-2010 | 08:24 PM
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I would spend a bit of time understanding how we do negotiate.

Done it.

You might be surprised that we do have professionals involved in every step of the process.

Define every step.

There are no table negotiations like some seem to think. Positions are exchanged on paper. Meetings are held only to clarify positions.

Professionals put together our positions.

Clarify professionals. Are we talking about ALPA staff lawyers?

Pilot guidance is however critical to the process since so much of how we do our job is unique to this profession.

True. Yet, easily communicated to a professional negotiation team.

Try and explain how critical a seniority number is to a non airline person and you will get a basic understanding.

Really?



I mean really? That non airline person you refer to would more than likely be a team of seasoned legal professionals adept at contract and labor law.
You state that you've spent time understanding how ALPA negotiates. It's apparent from you answers that you either didn't do your homework or didn't understand what you found out.

Pre-merger South pilots used a whole bunch of outsiders before and during negotiations for LOA 51 and the JCBA, not including the ALPA staff folks available to us. We had two different full time investment banking firms (Milestone Merchant Partners and Athena), an outside Actuary firm (Segal), outside business attorneys (Cleary Gottleib), and we worked with Groom Law Group on PBGC recovery issues. Pre-merger North pilots used an independent actuary (Buck), a couple of different investment bankers (Blue Wolf and Athena), and others. Those professionals were with us every step of the way, partipating in developing negotiating goals and strategy, then analyzing management proposals and preparing counters. We also used contacts made from our engagement on Wall Street, on Capitol Hill, and in New York to seek input on ways to enhance our effectiveness.

I hope this clears up for you what "every step" and "professionals" mean.
Old 01-19-2010 | 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
Rush has never made the ladies throw panties but it was one of the best bands ever. Secondly, if women don't like it then I trust its good. I have not met many women I would trust on music choices.

Sorry ladies but you are the reason REO Speedwagon sold albums.
The thing about Rush is they are, primarily, a musician's band. What appeals to the ear of someone who plays an instrument does not necessarily appeal to the musical masses. That's how we get the Taylor Swifts, Kelly Clarksons, and Jonas Brothers. The perfect 4 minute pop song is more or less lost on a technical musician, much as the technical beauty of four musicians playing four different instruments in four different times and actually making it work the way the Allman Brothers did on "In Memory of Elisabeth Reed" is completely lost on the casual listener.

From a technical standpoint, Rush is an amazing band. However, for the most part, they were never a radio-ready band. Now, you can debate playing to your strengths and making the music you like versus making a Top 40 single and making a few million bucks all you like. No right or wrong answer.

Personally, I'll take a band like Rush over a band like, say, Coldplay any day. I just appreciate the music more.

Of course, the downside of all that is you really tick your wife off when you replay a 30 second clip of a song on your iPod over and over and say, "See? You see what they did there? You understand the reference in those lyrics? You see how much they've matured as a band?" Thankfully, she's a patient woman.

Then again, this thread is about college football (I think), and I'd hate to be accused of thread creep, so back to the "Lane Kiffin sucks" show....

I'll be listening to "La Villa Strangiato" until Vandy beats Tennessee again.
Old 01-19-2010 | 08:35 PM
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Pert's amazing, to be sure. However he doesn't hold a candle to my main man here. (and chicks dig this guy to boot)

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