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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 750606)

Here's what you refuse to see. We don't do the accounting, management does. All they need to do is show a loss around contract time and...sorry guys, we just can't afford a pay raise for you.

I'm sure management appreciates you doing their work for them.

Carl

+1

Anyone who owns their own home and a rental knows how easy it is to hide the money. On the scale of accounting that Delta works with its unimaginable.

As my grandpa told me one time when he pointed out a hottie and I said she was out of my league. He said, let women figure out why they wont screw you, don't do it for them.

Same rule applies to management. We don't need to screw ourselves, let management try.

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 750616)

You are looking at it correctly for a snapshot in time. During the term of any contract there is minimal impact (very minor profit sharing, premium pay, and potential operational disruption costs). During the negotiation for the next contract it is a big deal (our 1113 case, for example). Management showed total sick leave costs (total pilot pay hours) that were way out of sync with the rest of the industry. When sick leave was modified, the total costs went down over 25% year over year (close to industry), which wasn't because of the change in sick pay, but because the change in the number of pilots calling in sick. That change in sick pay cost every pilot that needed the old hours and full vice 75% pay. For those that used sick pay as "platinum" days, there was no change.

Did the change in pay cause pilots to get sick less or fly sick more? That's a different discussion, but our LTD rate is closer to industry norm now, which is an indicator of behavioral changes.

Sick leave is just one component of our compensation package, but it is costed just as medical benefits, retirement, pay, and rules/rigs are costed.

So should ALPA, being that their members hold a considerable amount of stock, suggest to management that their performance is out of line with the compensation, sick leave and pension that they receive? All I'm saying Slow is that it works both ways...I also want our company to be successfull and profitable, but Delta is its employees...not the guys and girls that blow in for a few years, pump sunshine up our backside than leave with a "Golden Parachute." Than when they do depart...they make the excuse "this airline business is a tough business, and the current, past, future enviorment does not support a profit model.

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Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 750610)

Yes!!!! Goodbye Bret Favre. Until you reck havock with the league next year. :cool:

Adios Brett. Used to love you...you are a true gamer....very happy to see you lose.

Lifelong Packer fan.

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Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 750593)

The Super Bowl is going to have a hard time stepping it up to this game. What a barn burner.

Actually not. It was very poorly played. The Vikes had 500 yards of offense and 5 turnovers?! Two in the redzone? Both teams were playing not to lose. I hate the Vikings (because I heart the Packers) but this was not a good lead-in game to the Super Bowl. Actually, you could tell both teams were rusty.

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Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 750636)

Adios Brett. Used to love you...you are a true gamer....very happy to see you lose.

Lifelong Packer fan.

All he had to do was NOT throw a pick and the game winning field goal was there! He stepped up to old fashion and.......threw a pick sending game to a losing effort in OT!

The end of the game reminded me of the gary anderson crap that went down in their last nfc championship game

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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 749885)

Code a phone announced that a plan for a spring/summer time frame for online booking of jumpseats. Anyone have any details? Will this result in a reservation system that takes seniority into account?

Seniority for JS res?.......ahhhh no

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Originally Posted by Cogf16 (Post 750654)

Seniority for JS res?.......ahhhh no

Heyas Cog,

Yea, that's how I read his post, too.

Anything other than first come first served, and this place would be full of unhappy campers.

I asked him for more details on what he would like to see, but I guess this rugby scrum we call a conversation is a bit much sometimes...

Nu

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 750138)

Slow,

You embarrass yourself when you talk about items you know nothing about. Let me attempt to educate you:

Sick leave usage at NWA was massive. Management screamed bloody murder. Our union told them it is their own fault, by not having a policy that allowed for commuting TO work. Management said that would be impossible. Our union said fine...then expect things to continue. Management threatened and threatened, but sick leave usage continued unabated. Then management came to our union (in mid-contract) and said, let's talk. Management agreed to the policy and presto changeo, sick leave usage fell dramatically.

Now I know some will say that was just horrible of NWA pilots. I disagree. My sick leave account belonged to me. My union negotiated it and I did what I wished to do with it. Most pilots felt the same way. I thought it did show some courage/stones. You ought to try it someday Slow.

Carl

Carl,

Sorry to jump into this catfight but is your sick leave account a "sick" leave account or a personal time off account. Seems to me that is the salient point.

Cogf16