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Rhino Driver 11-26-2008 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 506352)
LOA 19 did not go into effect. It only took effect if the merger took place without a JCBA. Since that did not occur LOA 19 did not become effective. Most of what LOA 19 contained was incorporated into the JCBA.

Copied from TWG Notepad 08-01:

New Delta Contract

The new Delta contract is composed of several documents. Those are:
• the DAL Pilot Working Agreement (PWA) dated June 1, 2006
• Letter of Agreement #19, signed May 30, 2008
• Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement
• Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement attachments A through D
Several other LOAs and MOUs make up the complete contract, but the above list contains the essential elements that will affect day-to-day line pilot operations.

While this mix of old contract and new LOAs/MOUs is cumbersome, it won’t last long. By early 2009 an updated PWA will be available which incorporates as many LOAs and MOUs as possible. In the meantime, all of the above documents are available to pilots at their respective company or ALPA website.

dragon 11-26-2008 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 506196)
In the crew lounge today, management pilot said there is a displacement bid in January. Anyone hear the same rumor?

-Fatty

What I heard today is there are not enough folks in the 88 categories and many in the 800 aren't flying enough. Was also told that the CVG ER is having the unintended consequence of bumping folks out of CVG and may exceed the amount of $$ DL was willing to spend to avoid pulling the bid.

F word is definitely not being used - asked my ACP directly. Of course, that is today's story and subject to change.

acl65pilot 11-26-2008 12:55 PM

Yes, and if the money is too much they will pull that part of the bid. There is already a plan B in progress. It has to do with the displacements of the 767 guys.

sailingfun 11-26-2008 01:21 PM

LOA 19 never went into effect. It is used as a source document until a new complete contract rewrite. What you quote is using it as a source document for many aspects rather then rewrite them until the complete rewrite. It would have gone into effect 1 Jan.

Rhino Driver 11-26-2008 02:02 PM

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LOBO 11-26-2008 02:53 PM

This is my understanding to what took effect a couple of weeks ago: Posted in the Merger Update #3

Here are a few provisions of the JBCA that take effect immediately:
• Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement (JCBA) pay rates take effect as
does per diem and international pay for both pilot groups
• All domicile base parking will be available to each pilot group
• Former NWA Pilot longevity calculation changes
• FAA medical reimbursement will be available to former Northwest Pilots

What will not happen immediately?
• Northwest Pilots will work under the NWA scheduling rules and not JCBA
scheduling rules until bid period 5
• Until at least single operating certificate approval, pilots will not be able to
bid on or fly each other’s equipment
• Call signs will not change
• Jumpseat priority changes – Northwest pilots will be upgraded to the same
priority as Comair (both are wholly owned subsidiaries) which is higher
than all other airlines. Delta pilots will share similar high priority jumpseat
privileges on Northwest as their feeder airlines Mesaba, Compass and
Pinnacle, which is again higher than all other airlines.

rvr350 11-26-2008 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by dragon (Post 506546)
What I heard today is there are not enough folks in the 88 categories and many in the 800 aren't flying enough. Was also told that the CVG ER is having the unintended consequence of bumping folks out of CVG and may exceed the amount of $$ DL was willing to spend to avoid pulling the bid.

F word is definitely not being used - asked my ACP directly. Of course, that is today's story and subject to change.

Are you talking base specific or system wide regarding the 73N folks not working enough? I thought they're a bit fat on A, but B is still fine.

I guess the "good" news can't wait past X'mas...

Confused 11-26-2008 06:50 PM

Hey guys quick question. The flow through deals that NWA had with Mesaba and Compass, do they apply to the new Delta.

I have heard they do but that doesnt make sense that regional pilots that worked under NWA can now flow to Delta when Delta before didnt ever have a flow through agreement with their owned carriers like ASA used to be.

Just seems odd if it is true.

johnso29 11-26-2008 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by Confused (Post 506781)
Hey guys quick question. The flow through deals that NWA had with Mesaba and Compass, do they apply to the new Delta.

I have heard they do but that doesnt make sense that regional pilots that worked under NWA can now flow to Delta when Delta before didnt ever have a flow through agreement with their owned carriers like ASA used to be.

Just seems odd if it is true.

Yes, the flowthrough to NWA stayed intact with the merger, as did the flowback. Compass and Mesaba pilots CAN flow up to the new DAL.

DAL4EVER 11-26-2008 07:53 PM

Without having access to the information, I seem to recall the flowthrough by Mesaba involved around 30 pilots. Compass however, has many more guys eligible to flow up. Someone else may recall the specifics on this.


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