Dash,

Not true, my friend. Every LOA (including the JCBA) simply adds on or modifies the previous LOA/contract in total. So everything in LOA 19 that was not directly altered in the JCBA is still a valid part of our contract. That includes, as previously mentioned, the reduction in short calls, the greenslip pay, and 737-700 pay now equal to -800 pay.

PG

Yep, bunch of 767 guys to the 88. We will see if they actually do it. I know I have my bid in for the ER. Plenty of guys I can kick off of that first.

ACL65 are 767 guys to the 88 you are talking about part of the January displacement? If there is backward movement expected, are furloughs expected?

HEY! I CAN HEAR... ah, as long as I have a job right now I'll be happy. I know thats how it works.

But big quesiton, you said a "bunch" of 767 guys to the 88 - are you saying 767 category only or both the ER and 767? Because when I look at it the 7ER is overstaffed by a good bit (maybe not this past summer) and the 767 is more properly staffed, wouldn't the ER be the one that needs to displace more than the 767?

Maybe my avatar is more probable than I thought. :o

any idea what a bunch is?

The Nov bid was split because marketing has still not produced a summer schedule. They had to staff the 777's coming and could not wait any longer. The second half of the bid will be in Jan. There normally are some displacements in every bid. My understanding is the bid will be a net positive bid and as of last week they still plan on spring hiring.

LOA 19 did not go into effect. It only took effect if the merger took place without a JCBA. Since that did not occur LOA 19 did not become effective. Most of what LOA 19 contained was incorporated into the JCBA.

Are you sure man?

Carl

I have no clue, it was the words that were thrown out there. I would venture to guess that it would not be too many. They need bodies for the summer flying.
They wanted to displace this time, but there were a few factors that stopped them from doing so.
All I will say is that the DAL plan will become a lot clearer after the SLI. From what I am hearing most if not all of it will be good. (Displacements are better than furloughs!)
I also have heard that even with the pull down we will need more pilots for 09. The F word has not been used. The Hiring word has.

That's simply not true, sailingfun. To prove it to yourself, take a look at Section 3 of the JCBA. It doesn't include any of the payrates for the NWA airplanes, because those are already in LOA19. The only change is to change the rate for the A-330. It also doesn't include the annual step raises in the out years. Also, take a look at Section 5. LOA19 changes the per diem rates, and the JCBA adds a couple of other things, but doesn't discuss per diem at all.

Bottom line: LOA 19 is fully incorporated, except as amended by the JCBA.

PG