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DAL 88 Driver 05-15-2010 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by Rogue24 (Post 811998)
Sink, true. Sad too!

I also think that looking to restore a pension is a bad road to travel down. I prefer to find ways to fill up our current retirement plans.

+1

I think this should be one of our highest priorities... along with pay and scope.

Seattlecfi 05-15-2010 03:36 PM

Why did I only get 10 X days in June. My CQ was pre scheduled with 4 days. LOA 20 says they shouldn't be prorated. Is this an error, or I am missing something.

reddog25 05-15-2010 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 811916)
No it was not. What you are seeing is Scheduling trying out something that many pilots have asked for. They are seeing if they can effectively schedule a reserve pilot for more than six days of reserve in a row this way. They will make sure you have 24 hrs free from duty somewhere during that time.

There is a bit about this under the scheduling section in the ALPA forums. No MOU, Not TA, just scheduling actually trying something at the direction of our PBS committee.

We did that at NWA and most guys liked having a long stretch on duty, especially commuters.

Just a note about the 24 hours off...it can be on a layover. I once had a 8 day stretch of duty with a 3 day trip during that duty. The 24 hours off was on a layover in Fargo in the winter. (30 hour layover:eek:)

iaflyer 05-15-2010 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by Seattlecfi (Post 812006)
Why did I only get 10 X days in June. My CQ was pre scheduled with 4 days. LOA 20 says they shouldn't be prorated. Is this an error, or I am missing something.

I don't know for sure, but I think they have to be added manually by scheduling.

I noticed a comment on my buddies schedule in DBMS saying that an X day was added for LOA20. The scheduled aren't final until they are in DBMS anyway - give them until the 17th.

Seattlecfi 05-15-2010 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 812015)
I don't know for sure, but I think they have to be added manually by scheduling.

I noticed a comment on my buddies schedule in DBMS saying that an X day was added for LOA20. The scheduled aren't final until they are in DBMS anyway - give them until the 17th.

Thanks. I was wondering about that, but when I saw it in DBMS I wasn't sure.

forgot to bid 05-15-2010 03:57 PM

LOA 20
Section 23 D. 10., P. 7. a., T. 3. b. and Z. 4. a.-b. PBS changes
Rotations beginning in January 2011 bid period or earlier:

Amend Section 23 Z. 4. a. and b. as follows:
3. When a reserve pilot is scheduled for a known period of absence in the upcoming bid
period, his X-days will be pro-rated for the absence under the chart in Section 12 N. 7.
His reserve guarantee will be reduced by 1/30th or 1/31st for each day of the absence,
and he will be paid the value of the absence in addition to any other pay for the bid period.

Exception: X-days will not be prorated for a period of absence due to CQ training.
Assume a 30-day bid period, with ALV = 75:00 and a reserve guarantee of 70:00
hours in the examples below.

a. Example 1 – Pilot has seven days of vacation in the bid period.
Results:
1) Pilot receives nine X-days.
2) Pilot’s reserve guarantee is reduced by 1/30th for each day of his vacation
(70:00 – [7 x 2:20]) = 53:40 adjusted reserve guarantee for the bid period.
3) Pilot is paid 7 x 3:00 = 21:00 for the vacation in addition to any other pay
for the bid period.
b. Example 2 – Pilot is scheduled for four days of CQ training.
Results:
1) Pilot receives 12 X-days.
2) Pilot’s reserve guarantee is reduced by 1/30th for each day of his CQ
training (70:00 – [4 x 2:20]) = 60:40 adjusted reserve guarantee for the bid
period.
3) Pilot is paid 4 x 3:15 = 13:00 for the CQ training in addition to any other
pay for the bid period.

Waborita 05-15-2010 04:02 PM

DAL Retirements
 
What do the retirements look like with the combined seniority list and age 65 rule? I tried the search function which produced nothing and I did not want to go through 38000 posts on here.

If this has already been posted in this thread I am sorry, but for all who may be interested in employment at Delta currently this would be a big help.

TIA

UncleSam 05-15-2010 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by Waborita (Post 812019)
What do the retirements look like with the combined seniority list and age 65 rule? I tried the search function which produced nothing and I did not want to go through 38000 posts on here.

If this has already been posted in this thread I am sorry, but for all who may be interested in employment at Delta currently this would be a big help.

TIA

There is a new list published on the Crew Resources page, lower right column under Staffing Lists | Scheduled Retirements. Shows age 65 retirements as of 01 May 10 through 2048, which covers everyone on the current SL.

Bucking Bar 05-15-2010 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 812018)
LOA 20
Section 23 D. 10., P. 7. a., T. 3. b. and Z. 4. a.-b. PBS changes
Rotations beginning in January 2011 bid period or earlier:

Amend Section 23 Z. 4. a. and b. as follows:
3. When a reserve pilot is scheduled for a known period of absence in the upcoming bid
period, his X-days will be pro-rated for the absence under the chart in Section 12 N. 7.
His reserve guarantee will be reduced by 1/30th or 1/31st for each day of the absence,
and he will be paid the value of the absence in addition to any other pay for the bid period.[/INDENT]

... and the way to game this is to move your X days into your non leave working days, since the proration does not look at whether you are unavailable during OFF days or ON days.

I learned this the heard way, as I had moved my OFF days to the period where I anticipated taking leave. The company pro rated my off days, resulting in losing pay on days I wasn't supposed to be available anyway.

... and that was just the start of the fun. Moral of the story, get a vasectomy.

Seattlecfi 05-15-2010 04:24 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 812018)
LOA 20
Section 23 D. 10., P. 7. a., T. 3. b. and Z. 4. a.-b. PBS changes
Rotations beginning in January 2011 bid period or earlier:

Amend Section 23 Z. 4. a. and b. as follows:
3. When a reserve pilot is scheduled for a known period of absence in the upcoming bid
period, his X-days will be pro-rated for the absence under the chart in Section 12 N. 7.
His reserve guarantee will be reduced by 1/30th or 1/31st for each day of the absence,
and he will be paid the value of the absence in addition to any other pay for the bid period.

Exception: X-days will not be prorated for a period of absence due to CQ training.
Assume a 30-day bid period, with ALV = 75:00 and a reserve guarantee of 70:00
hours in the examples below.

a. Example 1 – Pilot has seven days of vacation in the bid period.
Results:
1) Pilot receives nine X-days.
2) Pilot’s reserve guarantee is reduced by 1/30th for each day of his vacation
(70:00 – [7 x 2:20]) = 53:40 adjusted reserve guarantee for the bid period.
3) Pilot is paid 7 x 3:00 = 21:00 for the vacation in addition to any other pay
for the bid period.
b. Example 2 – Pilot is scheduled for four days of CQ training.
Results:
1) Pilot receives 12 X-days.
2) Pilot’s reserve guarantee is reduced by 1/30th for each day of his CQ
training (70:00 – [4 x 2:20]) = 60:40 adjusted reserve guarantee for the bid
period.
3) Pilot is paid 4 x 3:15 = 13:00 for the CQ training in addition to any other
pay for the bid period.

Where did you find this part "beginning in January 2011 bid period or earlier" I didn't see that in the LOA or in the Negotiators Notepad 10-01


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