I'm lost in this discussion.. what are you talking about?

I understand that. I kind of use the terms "RJ's" and "outsource" interchangeably. My point was that the flying is not done by Delta Air Lines. It's being done by DCI with the typical "bait and switch" on yet another route that should be flown by mainline.

We played it with the mainline there as well. Lost also.

FWIW, anyone having questions about the legalities of the AE, the Scheduling Committee once again put out a great resource document. It is the Scheduling Alert 10-02

Go look for it in the D-ALPA file library.


Tsquare. We are talking about fighting back with AMR. No more no less

Heyas ACL,

I still maintain that AMR is a dangerous competitor. And now with UAL/CAL, they are getting put into a corner.

We REALLY rattled their cage with the JAL thing, which, as I understand it, they are having to pump a lot of money into it.

They'll want payback. I hope our "four corners" plan has a good anchor on the west coast, otherwise we may find ourselves SOL out there if someone with a lot of dollars, a lot of moxie, or both comes along.

Nu

*thinking out loud here*

Question for anyone who wants to offer their opinion? (Yes, I understand that's a broad statement on an anonymous web board.)

1) Oil is trading in the lower $70 range, ($71.56/bbl as of 1310EST)

2) Demand for air travel is returning as the "U.S." economy improves,

3) Capacity will "hopefully" follow closely behind the required "demand",

4) Barring anymore "natural disasters" (i.e. volcanoes/tsunami's) or the European economy "tanking" like ours did the last year and a half (reference Greece economy and its effect on our stock market the last few sessions),

Are we not poised to make a larger than expected profit this next quarter, leading to more "gains" in future contract negotiations? Or am I missing something?

Thanks for anyone's business minded input. Probably getting prematurely excited about the future of Delta Air Lines and how well positioned we are, but things are looking "good" as far as what I see.

Fly Safe,

GJ

Anyone else having trouble getting on the DALPA or ALPA website?

Denny

Yep. Seems to be down at the moment.

Maybe so. But are you saying that the quality of our product has no bearing on our ability to compete effectively in the marketplace? My thinking is that, in a situation like we had at DFW, most customers were going to choose that AA mainline jet over our low quality, unreliable, outsourced product just about every time. It seems that just about had to have affected our ability to compete in that situation.

We also had some strange fleet allocation in Dallas. Flying the L1011 back at Mach 1 (or close enough as to not be a significant difference) to ATL was fun, but had to have been a high cost operation.

So how long until we buy Hawaiian? 767-300 ER's, Haneda slot, 717's, base right in the middle of the Pacific, its' competition is withering and the operation is profitable.

Anyone realize the Philippine Airlines all had IATA safety restrictions which denied them the ability to serve the EU and parts of Asia. PAL is planning aggressive growth to the US West Coast. Seems like we preemptively could throw a 767 SEA-MNL, PDX-MNL or LAX-MNL, or maybe even service to Cebu. Or come at it from the Amsterdam side.

Anyone know why we don't fly NRT-AMS? Talked to a Platinum Miler who flies us to NRT and then picks up another airline on the return flight. Much easier on the body to chase the sun around the planet than to do it the other way.