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n9810f 05-03-2010 05:18 PM

What I find interesting with the initial announcement and branding roll out from United/Continental is the blending of both airlines - a true equal combination. The name is United but the livery is Continental. It'll be interesting to watch going forward if they continue to share their heritages in rebranding.

Reminds me of when the Delta/Northwest combination was announced and we heard similar words and phrases like, "it's not a takeover. It's a merger of equals." Yet the majority of every move has been the Northwest side (workers and customers) having everything Delta forced on them. I certainly hear that enough from former NW elite passengers.

What I'm seeing from this UA/CO announcement reminds me that nothing NW was accepted and carried over on the image side.

Model Citezen 05-03-2010 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 805779)
Model;
I know. It was there a few weeks ago, and they pulled it.

You try any other combination of jets and bases? :eek:

ACL,
I did. Tried ATL 330, HNL 7er, and NYC 747..... nada. Did not try GUM.

MC

80ktsClamp 05-03-2010 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by n9810f (Post 805789)
What I find interesting with the initial announcement and branding roll out from United/Continental is the blending of both airlines - a true equal combination. The name is United but the livery is Continental. It'll be interesting to watch going forward if they continue to share their heritages in rebranding.

Reminds me of when the Delta/Northwest combination was announced and we heard similar words and phrases like, "it's not a takeover. It's a merger of equals." Yet the majority of every move has been the Northwest side (workers and customers) having everything Delta forced on them. I certainly hear that enough from former NW elite passengers.

What I'm seeing from this UA/CO announcement reminds me that nothing NW was accepted and carried over on the image side.


This was on purpose... DL wanted to ensure a very very strong brand and image. There is no accident that the new DL logo looks kind of "northwest-ish." Brand control is key in a situation like this... muddying the waters can be a big detriment to business and brand recognition.

Denny Crane 05-03-2010 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by Model Citezen (Post 805773)
ACL,
I have no intention on AE-ing to it.... just passing it along to Denny who has waiting on this for at least 500 pages.... if not longer!
MC

Depending on your seniority, that's what I like to hear!!!:D Less competition.:) Thanks for the heads up.

Denny

Denny Crane 05-03-2010 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 805776)
Good luck Denny!!

But getting in your car and driving home from work? Where's the sport, where's the challenge??

Thanks Ferd. Until the merger, I was resigned to commuting the rest of my career. I've tried not to get my hopes up.........but...........to late!:)

My current idea of the kind of challenge I want now is..................where'd I put that beer bottle opener!!!:D

Denny

acl65pilot 05-03-2010 05:43 PM

Model, I have not tired, just asking.

No FtB no challenge. I believe the real base alignment will be this fall/winter.

jdt30 05-03-2010 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 805582)
I've run some numbers to compare the biggest U.S. carriers, and it reminded me how difficult it is to definitively say who's the biggest.

If you take revenues and expenses, the merged Continental Airlines and United Airlines would be larger than all its U.S. peers.

But if you take fleet, traffic and capacity, Delta Air Lines would be largest.

Here's how it goes by category:
• Operating revenues: The combined United and Continental, at $28.9 billion
• Operating expenses: United-Continental, $29.2 billion
• Operating income: Southwest Airlines, $262 million
• Net income: Southwest Airlines, $99 million
• Full-time equivalent employees: United-Continental, 82,340
• Airplanes flown by the mainline carrier, not regionals: Delta Air Lines, 740
• Revenue passenger miles: Delta, 188.9 billion
• Available seat miles: Delta, 230.3 billion

Source: AIRLINE BIZ Blog | The Dallas Morning News

This was updated by the author of the article.

Posted by Robert Herbst @ 12:50 PM Mon, May 03, 2010
Investor,

I won't answer for Terry but I will clarify you cannot use the data above for any (credible# airline-to-airline comparisons. Here's why:

The capacity/traffic #RPM's & ASM's) above are for mainline operations -except- DAL which is consolidated with their affiliates.

The revenue/expenses includes mainline -and- affiliate inputs but the employee counts only include the parent company.

In other words, a significant amount of revenue/expenses for some carriers comes from "contracted" regional affiliates/partners.

In order to do analogous comparisons, you must reconcile the differences from mainline and regional capacity purchase agreements.

Robert Herbst
AirlineFinancials.com

From Terry: Bob H. is right on. When I do my monthly traffic charts, I always back out the regional numbers, a particular issue with Delta. It was even more complicated when it reported Delta and Northwest separately but in the same release.

Delta's mainline RPMs in 2009 were 163,706 million and mainline ASMs were 197,723 million.

Delta also shows that $5.29 billion of its revenues came from regional carriers, but doesn't say what part of that came from carriers it doesn't own.

In addition, under expenses Delta lists $3.82 billion in "contract carrier arrangements" and $1.60 billion for "contracted services."

So statistical charts like this simply represent a best effort, and often do not include an apples-to-apples comparison.

Nosmo King 05-03-2010 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 805797)
Thanks Ferd. Until the merger, I was resigned to commuting the rest of my career. I've tried not to get my hopes up.........but...........to late!:)

My current idea of the kind of challenge I want now is..................where'd I put that beer bottle opener!!!:D

Denny

I hope you use the fancy beer top poppers you buy in Japan.

P.S. If you have those and your friends see them, be prepared to buy them in bulk...

buzzpat 05-03-2010 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 805701)
ATL 73N converted on June 1... in training until the 27th of this month.

You'll love it 80. I love it. Just keep the cross hairs thingy in the middle of the other thingy. And, oh, land hot. Don't chop. Works much mo betta. I keep the AT on until 100 feet and then punch it off.

Also, be thin. No fat. The CP is too small. If you have a hefty partner, his or her stuff will be in your stuff. And don't hold hands across the center console. It happens...and its not pretty.:eek:

Its like bunking on summer camp...only you won't be at summer camp.

SFWB 05-03-2010 06:17 PM

Now I'm in Medina and the weather is a lot colder than Mecca.


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