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satchip 06-14-2010 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 826371)
Amen to that. I wish we had the old MAC rules.

The rest rules were better but a basic crew duty day was 16 hours and three man was 24. I wish we had the military o2 rules. 350 and below no hose.

johnso29 06-14-2010 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 826362)
It is called a "Proffer" if under 12 hrs.

I have had them call me with over 12, and told them that there was no way unless they bought me a ticket that I would get there. I have offered them to take the first turn off and I would do the rest, and they are willing to work with you, as they want you to keep putting them in as it helps them out.


I did that exact same thing the other night and the scheduler told me he didn't want to break it up. You know what he ended up doing? Breaking it up. :rolleyes:

buzzpat 06-14-2010 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by satchip (Post 826374)
The rest rules were better but a basic crew duty day was 16 hours and three man was 24. I wish we had the military o2 rules. 350 and below no hose.

True. I remember during Desert Storm when they waived us to 30 hours with three guys. Had to do 3 AR's on one flight from Dover to Dhahran. That sucked. I liked the post mission 1 day for every three though.

"I wish we had the military o2 rules. 350 and below no hose."

We don't? (I keed, I keed.)

Denny Crane 06-14-2010 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by satchip (Post 826363)
I was on short call and they called me at midnight for a us trip at 1430. My sc ended at 0530. I'm on sc so I had to answer and it was outside of 12 so it wasn't a proffer. I was still on sc to boot. Military rest rules were way better.

Well, that's 9 hours between end of shortcall and a report at 1430. Legal but not smart. I don't know if you did but if and when it happens again, ask them if you are released from the rest of your shortcall period. I've done this in the past and been released.

Denny

scambo1 06-14-2010 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 826378)
True. I remember during Desert Storm when they waived us to 30 hours with three guys. Had to do 3 AR's on one flight from Dover to Dhahran. That sucked. I liked the post mission 1 day for every three though.

"I wish we had the military o2 rules. 350 and below no hose."

We don't? (I keed, I keed.)

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Buzz;

Longest I was ever in an aircraft without ever actually getting out of it: 35 hours, Desert Storm 1. The waiver was fine if nothing went wrong. After one of those, it really doesn't matter what the post mission rest rules are, you are in a coma until the coma is over. At my age now, I couldn't even do one of those, I'd die.

Scoop 06-14-2010 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by johnso29 http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/im...s/viewpost.gif
Wow. I wish I could get some consistent answers. I've been told by multiple people that SC is & isn't duty.

SC is not duty. Period. It is also not rest. Period.


Correct - Short call is "anti-duty." If ever anti-duty and duty, through some warp in the time-space continuum, were to come into contact with each other the results would be "Bad." :eek: Kind of like "crossing the streams."

YouTube - Cross the streams

Scoop - Is that a cameo by none other than our beloved Carl? :)

forgot to bid 06-14-2010 10:16 AM

30 hours in a plane, I'd take that over 9 legs, 6 hours of flying and 13 hours of sitting in a EMB-120 in a Texas drought to a short overnight and do it again for 5 legs the next day, and 5 the next... and so on. :D

I really don't know if I would or not, I'm not sure whats worse, but this gives me an excellent opportunity to segue into a thought about Atlanta weather; I'd much rather be in Vegas on a 110F degree day than a 92F degree in Atlanta.

MSP on the other hand is 67F today, in the 70s and maybe low 80s for the remainder of the week.

forgot to bid 06-14-2010 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 826419)
Correct - Short call is "anti-duty." If ever anti-duty and duty, through some warp in the time-space continuum, were to come into contact with each other the results would be "Bad." Kind of like "crossing the streams."

YouTube - Cross the streams

Scoop - Is that a cameo by none other than our beloved Carl?

:D BRAVO :D

And that is Carl.

buzzpat 06-14-2010 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 826414)
------
Buzz;

Longest I was ever in an aircraft without ever actually getting out of it: 35 hours, Desert Storm 1. The waiver was fine if nothing went wrong. After one of those, it really doesn't matter what the post mission rest rules are, you are in a coma until the coma is over. At my age now, I couldn't even do one of those, I'd die.

Yep! I logged 27.6 once as the AC getting the gas three times. I got back to Torrejon and slept for almost two days. Definitely could not do that now. It was dumb and dangerous.

forgot to bid 06-14-2010 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 826419)
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Scoop - Is that a cameo by none other than our beloved Carl? :)

I saw Carl the other day in Skymiles magazine.

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...id/temp-33.jpg

I never saw that coming.


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