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Old 06-29-2010, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL4EVER
In the few times I did JFK with the closure, it actually ran smoother than when 31L was open. I bet now that they added 25% to their runway capacity, they figure out how to increase delays by 40% again. That said, I won't know what to do when going down a smooth 31L.
Well we were running a winter schedule. Now that the full summer schedule will be in effect, standby for fun!
Have that three hr flow chart handy.......
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Old 06-29-2010, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
T, it may not be a written policy, but what Carl is saying is the way I was taught during my two TOE's last month with south LCA's. It wouldn't be the only "technique" that was briefed in a way that made it sound like a "procedure." I don't have a lot of complaints about my training, but I did hear a lot of "this is the way we do it" for things that aren't written down anywhere. I like being given techniques, but they should be presented as such and not briefed as procedure.
Many things that are termed "Best Practice" here at DAL somehow feel like procedures. They are technique. Look at the FOM and see how it defines crew rest. It is vague for a reason. The only thing that is directive is the PIC requirement. Even that can change with dispatcher approval. Go read the FOM and report back.
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Old 06-29-2010, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Many things that are termed "Best Practice" here at DAL somehow feel like procedures. They are technique. Look at the FOM and see how it defines crew rest. It is vague for a reason. The only thing that is directive is the PIC requirement. Even that can change with dispatcher approval. Go read the FOM and report back.
Seconded - there are a lot of things that are briefed in training, OE, on a particular rotation, that sound like procedure when they are actually techniques. It is up to YOU (and I believe most of us are highly experience pilots) how you want to fly your airplane. There is only one PIC on every aircraft (even the 4 man crews) and he has the authority to run the flight however he wants as long as he doesn't violate FARs, written company policy or flight manual restrictions. I believe one of the big differences culturally between Delta and NWA were NWA seemed to have lot more procedures telling you exactly how to do things on your airplane while Delta gives the crews (both Cpt and F/O) a little more latitude. If it's not against any of the above Carl (and all the other unhappy fNWA captains) should be able to run their cockpit however they want. As an F/O, I've flown with Captains that do some things a little different and it is my job to run the airplane how he wants - as long as he's within the rules.
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Old 06-29-2010, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by firstmob
The announcement ref the JFK terminal upgrades is becoming as big a joke as the JFK terminal.
Well, tell the guys giving the briefings in the crew rooms to quit spewing dates. I always thought it was soon, but would have been floored to happen on the date predicted.
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Old 06-29-2010, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL73n
As an F/O, I've flown with Captains that do some things a little different and it is my job to run the airplane how he wants - as long as he's within the rules.
And...according to the FOM even if it's not within the rules...his command will be obeyed! (I sh1t you not)
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Old 06-29-2010, 05:32 PM
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It is in there. We are a Capt's airline!
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Old 06-29-2010, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by satchip
I don't know where this every two hours stuff is coming from. Can't speak for the 777 but on the ER for over 12 hr legs the breaks usually go long/long or short/long/short. The crew discusses it comes up with a consensus before takeoff.

I think there should be only 1 pic, unity of command you know. The idea of splitting up the leg I think is terrible. Jmho. Also it sounds like I never want to e based in Atlanta.
I was just doing my FCCQ disk and the policy is that it depends on the flight segment. The Senior Capt is suppose to decide based on the science (and they give every scenario we fly--ad nauseum) and policy whether to give equal segments of rest or unequal and to whom. Pretty reasonable stuff... nothing that would say it "has to be one way or the other".
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Old 06-29-2010, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Well, tell the guys giving the briefings in the crew rooms to quit spewing dates.
They're probably just spewing dates to get us back for all the "corrections" we made to the pilot application page at Delta.com back in January.

"Hey, lets all strongly hint we'll make the JFK announcement on June 29th, and watch them go nuts on APC forums when it doesn't happen. Then we'll make the announcement next morning."
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Old 06-29-2010, 05:56 PM
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You so funny. They do read it!

I just want them to start construction. I figured the announcement would happen after the runway opened.

On the crew rest thing. You are correct. Do what works, but make sure the to crew is the ldg crew. If you want that to change petition it.
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Old 06-29-2010, 05:58 PM
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You guys want to get on to a new topic? Go look at that other web board and read the regional rumor about Mesaba. (A great way to change subjects)
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