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buzzpat 06-30-2010 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 834672)
That does not sound good. I've got enough to worry about during training, like how to avoid 5 am simulator periods. We don't need to worry about that kind of stuff, too. What's the chance we change hotels sometime in the future? :confused:

We just changed three or four months ago. Much nicer digs and in a better part of town. The previous place was a dump and we did have some guys mugged walking home from a pub. I'm heading to recurrent in late July and will report back but, from what I hear, the new place is pretty nice.

KC10 FATboy 06-30-2010 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 834677)
I'll tell you, this is something the company should have addressed long ago. And in the absence of the company, where the heck is DALPA on this? There's nothing more important than the personal safety of our employees. Everything else pales in comparison.

DAL had better hope nobody ever gets badly injured or worse. They would have very difficult questions to answer in front of a jury as to why they allowed a known safety problem to continue.

Carl

Carl I somewhat agree with you. However, you can't hold the company liable for the actions of others. The company provides you secure transportation from the airport, hotel, and training facilities. The hotels I've stayed in are secure. So I'm not quite sure how DAL could be liable here.

It is a slippery slope for DALPA to start naming areas of towns as "not safe".

However, like others things you complain about, I'm sure you can muster up a strongly worded post on APC for DAL's management to read.

Ferd149 06-30-2010 11:47 AM

Yeah, it's a nice hotel. Did 606 training there a few months ago and never left the hotel. Standard hotel bar with good food and company with other guys going through one thing or another. Saw the famous Spondivits on the way to the training center, looks to be about a 10 minute walk (?)

buzzpat 06-30-2010 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 834689)
Yeah, it's a nice hotel. Did 606 training there a few months ago and never left the hotel. Standard hotel bar with good food and company with other guys going through one thing or another. Saw the famous Spondivits on the way to the training center, looks to be about a 10 minute walk (?)

The food there is actually pretty good and the beer is really cold, which comes in handy on a summer afternoon in the ATL. The only concerns I've ever had when going through there were walking around late at night. But like KC-10 says, there's a crew van that runs from the hotel to the training center. I made the mistake one night of walking back from a D period sim to the hotel and ran into a group of hookers and a pimp. I didn't see New around so I made a beeline for the hotel. Now I take the van.;)

Ferd149 06-30-2010 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 834687)
Carl I somewhat agree with you. However, you can't hold the company liable for the actions of others. The company provides you secure transportation from the airport, hotel, and training facilities. The hotels I've stayed in are secure. So I'm not quite sure how DAL could be liable here.

It is a slippery slope for DALPA to start naming areas of towns as "not safe".

Maybe, but we were in a REAL NICE hotel near the Mall of America (MSP) several years ago. Anyway, 2 guys walking back from Outback Steakhouse (only about a block away) got robbed in that hotel's park lot. We were outta there in less than a week. I'm sure they were concerned for our safety too.........but I'll bet they were worried about a spouse suing them if things had really gone south.


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 834687)
However, like others things you complain about, I'm sure you can muster up a strongly worded post on APC for DAL's management to read.

Uncalled for.......give it a rest:mad:

Carl Spackler 06-30-2010 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 834687)
Carl I somewhat agree with you. However, you can't hold the company liable for the actions of others. The company provides you secure transportation from the airport, hotel, and training facilities. The hotels I've stayed in are secure. So I'm not quite sure how DAL could be liable here.

It is a slippery slope for DALPA to start naming areas of towns as "not safe".

However, like others things you complain about, I'm sure you can muster up a strongly worded post on APC for DAL's management to read.

Leave it to you to excuse even something like this. You may not be sure of how DAL could be liable, but any wrongful injury/death attorney would be glad to explain it to you. But then again, you would have to listen...so maybe they couldn't explain it to you.

Carl

alfaromeo 06-30-2010 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 834672)
That does not sound good. I've got enough to worry about during training, like how to avoid 5 am simulator periods. We don't need to worry about that kind of stuff, too. What's the chance we change hotels sometime in the future? :confused:

The hotel isn't bad, just not as nice as the ***** at MSP. Many guys drive down to ATL for long training, so they can get away from the usual hangouts on Va. Ave. There is also a rent a wreck place (forget the name) that guys will use for a long term rental while they are there. I got a Dodge Neon once and I only had to fill the front tire once a week. Real chick magnet.

GunshipGuy 06-30-2010 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by Cycle Pilot (Post 834632)
Yep, it's legal. You can get your 24 hours at a layover.

Thanks, Cycle.

KC10 FATboy 06-30-2010 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 834696)
Leave it to you to excuse even something like this. You may not be sure of how DAL could be liable, but any wrongful injury/death attorney would be glad to explain it to you. But then again, you would have to listen...so maybe they couldn't explain it to you.

Carl

Carl:

Buddy, you need to take the emotion out of the argument and stop assuming that everyone's out to get you, or against you. This is my beef with you Carl.

Lesson for everyone on the forum.

My simple post was ... paraphrasing ... "I don't see how DAL could be liable because they have in good faith provided sound transportation and a place to stay."

But, Carl, who by disagrees with this position, instead of debating the merits or lack of merit of the content, instead attacks the messenger (me), as if I'm the person who is putting people in harms way, and instead changes the argument, making it appear as if I agreed with DAL allowing us to stay in a crap hole.

Good on ya Carl.

Carl Spackler 06-30-2010 12:26 PM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 834704)
Carl:

Buddy, you need to take the emotion out of the argument and stop assuming that everyone's out to get you, or against you.

Don't think it, and never said. But preciate your concern.


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 834704)
This is my beef with you Carl.

Lesson for everyone on the forum.

My simple post was ... paraphrasing ... "I don't see how DAL could be liable because they have in good faith provided sound transportation and a place to stay."

Really? Just that simple?


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 834704)
But, Carl, who by disagrees with this position, instead of debating the merits or lack of merit of the content, instead attacks the messenger (me), as if I'm the person who is putting people in harms way, and instead changes the argument, making it appear as if I agreed with DAL allowing us to stay in a crap hole.

Good on ya Carl.

You mean kind of like this?


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 834687)
However, like others things you complain about, I'm sure you can muster up a strongly worded post on APC for DAL's management to read.

Yeah, you're right. I'll try to cut down on all that changing the subject and attacking the messenger stuff. ;)

Carl


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