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Originally Posted by Splash
(Post 836683)
Dave Stevens gave away our Scope.
You forgot to mention Mark McClain. |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 836661)
That's what I want at a minimum, for the company to honor the contract they signed and not try to weasel out of it. I'm not sure DALPA has the moxie to go for the jugular, but I'm all for it. If management doesn't want to get rid of them, then they can bring them to mainline.
Another thing I like to see is the BS part of the contract that states 'once the number of 76 seaters has been established it will not be reduced' be eliminated because everytime I read that I see red. It's nice to know that they can shrink the mainline fleet without shrinking the outsourced flying! Good move ALPA. :mad: |
Originally Posted by Ad Lib
(Post 836704)
As you may recall, on the South side we have a history of our MEC Chair filing a grievance and resolving it without a whole lot (AKA any) input.
Originally Posted by Ad Lib
(Post 836704)
In retrospect his position was reasonable, but he acted as the Lone Ranger and with something like this, I expect he would do the same.
Originally Posted by Ad Lib
(Post 836704)
Again, there is no way this deal went down without ALPA's knowledge. This knowledge might not have gotten distributed very far, but we have a Pilot Director's who had a fiduciary duty to know if divisions of the Company were being sold and a long history of a "partnership with management" which has been mutually beneficial. ... they knew.
Originally Posted by Ad Lib
(Post 836704)
Now they hope it will all blow over. No one likes the flow.
Originally Posted by Ad Lib
(Post 836704)
No one wants to cost the Company a bunch of money.
I want to cost the company a LOT of money! I want more pay, more time off, better sick rules, more into my 401k, and nicer hotels. All of those cost money. I want the company to MAKE money - and then give me MORE OF IT!!! |
Originally Posted by Splash
(Post 836771)
Wait a minute. Didn't our MEC just resolve 3 big grievances with a meeting of all our reps? I think that was the best way to do it. I don't think we needed 12000 pilots at the meeting. I trust my reps to listen and think. It sounds like you agree with that.
You disagree with "reasonable"? The Lone Ranger did good. I think Moak did to. The thing he said at his talk in NRT that made me feel good was when he admitted that he and ALPA had made mistakes. In 30 years I've only heard about 2 or 3 ALPA guys acknowledge that. As long as they are reasonable, I'm ok. Does it make a difference that ALPA could have known? It doesn't look like any deals were cut. I like the flow. I have a family connection to it, sure - but I like it. I DO!!!!! I want to cost the company a LOT of money! I want more pay, more time off, better sick rules, more into my 401k, and nicer hotels. All of those cost money. I want the company to MAKE money - and then give me MORE OF IT!!! I'm not advocating we roll over, not in the least. Just pointing out the Law of Unintended Consequences. How would we replace that lift? Do we have enough mainline lift to fill in? Or would those routes go to other DCI carriers? It's something we will have to think through, not make a knee jerk reaction, in either direction. My guess is if it came down to it, the company would ignore the provision, make us grieve it, and use the time to come up with a solution. In fact, that may be the best course of action. Can you say MD90s? |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 836665)
Our concern is not that most DAL pilots don't understand the importance of Scope. Our concern is that LM will sell it (again) and explain to us why he had to do it ... after the fact. That's my biggest concern.
Carl When, in fact, it is the MEC that has the leverage. |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 836714)
widget thong donning uniform.
Hmmmm.... widget thongs you say? Ya know, I bet if you could find a company to make 'em, you could sell a ton.... ....in Atlanta. |
And lets not forget the 63% of our fellow sissy pilots that voted for that POS contract.
Originally Posted by DAL330drvr
(Post 836726)
You forgot to mention Mark McClain.
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Originally Posted by Jay5150
(Post 836806)
Hmmmm....
widget thongs you say? Ya know, I bet if you could find a company to make 'em, you could sell a ton.... ....in Atlanta. |
Originally Posted by satchip
(Post 836789)
Ah, but there is the rub. If the company has to reduce the number of 76'ers to 85, that is a lot of lift taken out of the system. That is a lot of revenue lost and that equals less money for us too. Especially going into sec 6 negotiations, a profitable company is important to us.
I'm not advocating we roll over, not in the least. Just pointing out the Law of Unintended Consequences. How would we replace that lift? Do we have enough mainline lift to fill in? Or would those routes go to other DCI carriers? It's something we will have to think through, not make a knee jerk reaction, in either direction...... Does it make sense for me to say, I understand what you are saying, but I don't see your point? :rolleyes: I mean, if the company has to lose lift and therefore revenue because of a contractual provision that causes them to lose lift, DALPA should insist on enforcement. I'm sure a deal can be worked out to continue service with 320's, 319's, or DC-9's. (Remember, we are parking some.) Hell, why don't we even "volunteer" to fly the 70 seater's for "them." We've done it before. Let's grab the ram by the horns and do it again. :) http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/a...in/DC-9-10.jpg |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 836820)
Should I be afraid? :eek:
Yes!!!! :D |
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