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07-08-2010, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Read the part about LGA. They just told you what is really going on.
07-08-2010, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Ferd;
Read the PWA, read the LOA's and realize the the PWA states if the FLOW, not up or down being canceled invokes said trigger and the LOA's state that the flow UP can be canceled and the flow down can remain. Two layers of protection there.
CPS and or Mesaba can cancel their flow up per the LOA's, but to cancel the flow down would require all parties to agree to this. So if they cancel the flow up, it does not mean that the flow down is gone. Degraded, yes, but still there.
The PWA states if the flow, and as I read it, that is up or down. So in effect these regionals have control over the 76 seat setback trigger.
Also of note, I have not seen an 8K on from TSH on the acquisition of CPS. So they probably have a condition of sale in the purchase agreement about this flow. The devil is in the detail, and I would assume that there are quite a few in the ASA as well has the purchase agreements of both of these carriers.
Read the PWA, read the LOA's and realize the the PWA states if the FLOW, not up or down being canceled invokes said trigger and the LOA's state that the flow UP can be canceled and the flow down can remain. Two layers of protection there.
CPS and or Mesaba can cancel their flow up per the LOA's, but to cancel the flow down would require all parties to agree to this. So if they cancel the flow up, it does not mean that the flow down is gone. Degraded, yes, but still there.
The PWA states if the flow, and as I read it, that is up or down. So in effect these regionals have control over the 76 seat setback trigger.
Also of note, I have not seen an 8K on from TSH on the acquisition of CPS. So they probably have a condition of sale in the purchase agreement about this flow. The devil is in the detail, and I would assume that there are quite a few in the ASA as well has the purchase agreements of both of these carriers.
07-08-2010, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Agreed! newKnow
07-08-2010, 10:41 AM
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Delta Air Lines flew 18.53 billion system RPMs in June, a 4.2% rise year-over-year. Capacity lifted 1.5% to 21.13 billion ASMs and load factor increased 2.2 points to 87.7%.
American Airlines operated 11.25 billion system RPMs in June, up 3.2% year-over-year, while capacity rose 1.3% to 12.96 billion ASMs. Load factor increased 1.6 points to 86.8%. American Eagle flew 736.5 million RPMs, up 5.3%, against a 6.5% increase in capacity to 956.3 million ASMs. Load factor fell 0.9 point to 77%.
Air France KLM flew 17.88 billion RPKs in June, up 4.7% from the year-ago month. Capacity rose 0.4% to 21.33 billion ASKs and load factor improved 3.5 points to 83.8%.
Continental Airlines said June consolidated RASM grew an estimated 21%-22% while mainline consolidated RASM grew 20.5%-21.5%. It flew 8.44 billion consolidated RPMs last month, up 4.7% year-over-year. Capacity lifted 2.2% to 9.72 billion ASMs and load factor rose 2.1 points to 86.9%.
American Airlines operated 11.25 billion system RPMs in June, up 3.2% year-over-year, while capacity rose 1.3% to 12.96 billion ASMs. Load factor increased 1.6 points to 86.8%. American Eagle flew 736.5 million RPMs, up 5.3%, against a 6.5% increase in capacity to 956.3 million ASMs. Load factor fell 0.9 point to 77%.
Air France KLM flew 17.88 billion RPKs in June, up 4.7% from the year-ago month. Capacity rose 0.4% to 21.33 billion ASKs and load factor improved 3.5 points to 83.8%.
Continental Airlines said June consolidated RASM grew an estimated 21%-22% while mainline consolidated RASM grew 20.5%-21.5%. It flew 8.44 billion consolidated RPMs last month, up 4.7% year-over-year. Capacity lifted 2.2% to 9.72 billion ASMs and load factor rose 2.1 points to 86.9%.
07-08-2010, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
NewK;
All my attorney's said the same thing. ( all in casual conversation of course
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Another things that is very important legally too is that these LOA's were brought over to the JPWA intact. As I understand it, there are no changes to them. They are referenced in the JPWA, but the actual LOA's came over unmodified. Quite important!
All my attorney's said the same thing. ( all in casual conversation of course
) Another things that is very important legally too is that these LOA's were brought over to the JPWA intact. As I understand it, there are no changes to them. They are referenced in the JPWA, but the actual LOA's came over unmodified. Quite important!
07-08-2010, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
First of all... to pluralize something in English, usually an apostrophe is not required... therefore the plural of lawyer is attorneys. Second.... do you have multiple legal advisors??? On retainer??? NOW I am worried about you.
To be fair, I thought the same thing about the multiple lawyers comment.
07-08-2010, 11:42 AM
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I just picked up a out of base Green Slip in DTW. What's a good cheap hotel near the airport where I can buy beer (711 or something).
Thanks
BD
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07-08-2010, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
NewK
I agree with you and Nu. I hate to see us lose the flow, but in the short run it's probably best. The reason I say this is we will no longer be flowing down to a wholly owned. I have no knowledge of the companies we sold to, I'll let Bar or ACL chime in, but it sure doesn't like any of us would want to work there.
We will NOT park airplanes in the current environment. So, that only leaves rearranging the chairs.
As I said in another thread, I sort of see this as a cake and eat it too opportunity. We get more DCI seats pulled out of the system so they are forced to pick up more lift on our end. The flow up becomes moot as we hire more Compass and Mesaba guys than would have flowed up anyway. As I said before, I'm sure there is a knight moving into position to take my queen but that's how I see this. But, I'm reading all sides because I'm also sure I don't see everything.
Ferd
I agree with you and Nu. I hate to see us lose the flow, but in the short run it's probably best. The reason I say this is we will no longer be flowing down to a wholly owned. I have no knowledge of the companies we sold to, I'll let Bar or ACL chime in, but it sure doesn't like any of us would want to work there.
We will NOT park airplanes in the current environment. So, that only leaves rearranging the chairs.
As I said in another thread, I sort of see this as a cake and eat it too opportunity. We get more DCI seats pulled out of the system so they are forced to pick up more lift on our end. The flow up becomes moot as we hire more Compass and Mesaba guys than would have flowed up anyway. As I said before, I'm sure there is a knight moving into position to take my queen but that's how I see this. But, I'm reading all sides because I'm also sure I don't see everything.
Ferd
Ferd;
I dunno, maybe I'm just not following your line of reasoning.
As almost everyone is tangentially touching on, the DAL MEC has leverage (in about 3-4 different directions) today.
Carl said it simplest - are they going to enforce section 1 or not. Are they really all about "taking every opportunity" What we have here today is a massive opportunity to move the DAL pilots ahead a square or 2 in the cheese store.
Lots of leverage available right now. Call your reps.
07-08-2010, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
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Ferd;
I dunno, maybe I'm just not following your line of reasoning.
As almost everyone is tangentially touching on, the DAL MEC has leverage (in about 3-4 different directions) today.
Carl said it simplest - are they going to enforce section 1 or not. Are they really all about "taking every opportunity" What we have here today is a massive opportunity to move the DAL pilots ahead a square or 2 in the cheese store.
Lots of leverage available right now. Call your reps.
Ferd;
I dunno, maybe I'm just not following your line of reasoning.
As almost everyone is tangentially touching on, the DAL MEC has leverage (in about 3-4 different directions) today.
Carl said it simplest - are they going to enforce section 1 or not. Are they really all about "taking every opportunity" What we have here today is a massive opportunity to move the DAL pilots ahead a square or 2 in the cheese store.
Lots of leverage available right now. Call your reps.
We need to know that the MEC has the moxie to squeeze where it hurts until we get what we want. Their record up until now has been meh. Negotiating with an airline is like going to prison. You either need to kick someone's a__, or be someone's b____.
Nu
07-08-2010, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by bigdaddie
I just picked up a out of base Green Slip in DTW. What's a good cheap hotel near the airport where I can buy beer (711 or something).
Thanks
BD
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BD
There are a ton of commuter friendly hotels in Romulus right next to the airport. Check priceline.com too.
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