Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-08-2010, 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Jughead
Really?
Seriously? On a par 72 course? Why are you flying airplanes when you post scores like this? Obviously you have a negative handicap...we need to play -
It will be during the week though - "A" position on the 88 isn't much fun right now.
Seriously? On a par 72 course? Why are you flying airplanes when you post scores like this? Obviously you have a negative handicap...we need to play - It will be during the week though - "A" position on the 88 isn't much fun right now.
07-08-2010, 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
The question is will our MEC actually kill the flow in order to get the reduction in 76 seaters? We have to agree to any continuation of the flow. If we decide to kill the flow, then the 76 seaters go away.
Wouldn't that be a "scope sale"? We have an opportunity to reduce the number of 76 seat jets down to 85. All DALPA has to do is cancel the flow-through agreements. The sale of Compass and Mesaba gave us the power to do that.
Wouldn't that be a "scope sale"? We have an opportunity to reduce the number of 76 seat jets down to 85. All DALPA has to do is cancel the flow-through agreements. The sale of Compass and Mesaba gave us the power to do that.
07-08-2010, 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Ahh, bummer.
07-08-2010, 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Fly4hire
I believe the reduction in 76 seater's is only if the flow down is terminated, not the flow up.
07-08-2010, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by JungleBus
That's what CPZ management asserted in their Q&A, but DALPA and the CPZ MEC disagree. The JPWA says that "If the flow provisions of NWA LOAs 2006-10 and 2006-14 cease to be available, the upper cap reverts to 85." The language within the LOAs themselves say that the flow up can go away for newhires following the sale of Compass without affecting the upper cap. DALPA is going to argue that the language of the more-recent JPWA contradicts and supersedes the language in the LOAs.
07-08-2010, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Fly4hire
I believe the reduction in 76 seater's is only if the flow down is terminated, not the flow up. If we agree (highly unlikely) to negotiate away the flow down ourselves the lower limit does not apply.
There's no language in any of the documents that says the 76 seater reduction won't apply if we end the flow ourselves. The LOAs give us the right to end the flows if the carrier is sold.
The Mesaba LOA especially is crystal clear. There's no distinction between flows up or flows down and DALPA has to "mutually agree" to continue the flows. If we don't, then I'd say that flow has ceased to be available.
b. The right of any company pilot to Flow Down to MSA, or MSA pilot to Flow Up to NWA, pursuant to the terms of this Letter of Agreement, shall be effective only so long as MSA remains an Affiliate of the Company, provided the parties will, prior to the termination of the Flow through rights referenced herein, meet and confer for the purpose of discussing whether continuation or modification of this Flow Through Agreement would be appropriate given the circumstances at that time. Any continuation or modification shall require the mutual agreement of the parties.
I think the "meet and confer" should last about 30 seconds. We tell them the flow is no longer "appropriate" and we expect them to park those 76 seaters ASAP.
07-08-2010, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by JungleBus
That's what CPZ management asserted in their Q&A, but DALPA and the CPZ MEC disagree. The JPWA says that "If the flow provisions of NWA LOAs 2006-10 and 2006-14 cease to be available, the upper cap reverts to 85." The language within the LOAs themselves say that the flow up can go away for newhires following the sale of Compass without affecting the upper cap. DALPA is going to argue that the language of the more-recent JPWA contradicts and supersedes the language in the LOAs.
I think (?) reverts to 85 could mean taking 6 seats out of overage aircraft and converting to 70 seaters. I'd prefer to see them parked
07-08-2010, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Schwanker
Ditto. Nothing there. I have real concerns this MEC will allow scope to further decay. Maybe just a bad feeling, but I'm guessing some more Kool-Aide is about to be served.
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07-08-2010, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by JungleBus
That's what CPZ management asserted in their Q&A, but DALPA and the CPZ MEC disagree. The JPWA says that "If the flow provisions of NWA LOAs 2006-10 and 2006-14 cease to be available, the upper cap reverts to 85." The language within the LOAs themselves say that the flow up can go away for newhires following the sale of Compass without affecting the upper cap. DALPA is going to argue that the language of the more-recent JPWA contradicts and supersedes the language in the LOAs.
07-08-2010, 06:49 AM
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