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johnso29 07-17-2010 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 842367)
I think what they're telling you is that they think November/December will be real busy (look at the dates of the fare sale for guidance) and they'll need some of the August/September pilots to operate the holidays. My guess is the rest are around to support the 270 day training pipeline for inreased 757/767, A320, and MD88/90 conversions on the next AE. If the economy and our industry continue to recover, we will still be understaffed and need to hire more. If it doesn't, then we'll see a less dramatic version of the hiring shutdown in 2008.

I think they're doing a pretty good job being conservative with manning. We didn't furlough during the last downturn. Getting worked hard for a couple of months with all the attendant pilot pay isn't a bad thing, in my view.

I have to agree with that! It's nice to be needed.:)

That being said, I'm glad to see they're taking a conservative approach to hiring. It shows they're thinking about all the wasted $$$ if they were to hire only to have to furlough. Hopefully the hiring will continue. :)

slowplay 07-17-2010 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 842333)
Then why has my RAW exceeded 150 every month since Feb? We sure do have a bunch of sick FO's on the 320;)

Not just the 320 and not just FO's...:(

Must be time for a Carl and PG show!:p

johnso29 07-17-2010 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 842371)
Not just the 320 and not just FO's...

Must be time for a Carl and PG show!:p


Are you sure you want to start that? :eek::D

forgot to bid 07-17-2010 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 842327)
Hey, are your powers diminished as the DC-9-30's are parked, or are they transferrable on an AE to the MD88/90? CLMP, FTB? I need newK guidance!

On this note:

Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye, all persons of this thread are commanded to hereby sit in witness of the case of Newk's Powers vs. an AE.

The Self Appointed Chair, me, recognizes and punts to 80ktsclamp to decide the fate of Newk's powers.

In the meantime, the Chair, me, hereby proclaims that in my humble opinion that if Newk were to swap to the DC-9-88, (see pic below)

http://skydivecamera.com/wp-content/...07/04/sc-3.JPG

that the DC-9-88 would be all the better for it.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ightPhenom.jpg
(Artist rendition of NewK flying the 88 in a holding pattern)


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 842343)
Slow,

My powers come from 80 and forgot. I think as the DC-9 fleet shrinks, they will allow them to increase, because of the increased nostalgia. I don't think the powers are transferable, because there are tons of 88's and 90's. Plus, they have glass AND an autopilot with altitude capture. But, I would guess that 88 drivers out of LGA, would be the next coolest thing. (Short runways, NYC congestion.)

As for my forecast, I see increased hiring. With the airplanes they are to pull out of the desert, and the 73N's and 777's and 90's coming on board, I don't see how they can't keep going. My buds on the 320 A side are getting slammed and it's starting to trickle down to the -9. But, it seems as though you are saying this is a yearly thing and relief is in sight by September. I will will let them know before they jump off a bridge.

Finally, I am a typical pilot. I have three rental properties that are kicking my butt, that I got to replace my pension, because I "knew" I would make money in real estate. I advise you don't listen to anything I predict, as far as economics go.

New K Now

(Looking for guidance from clamp and 80 too, so I can still be cool.)

Seems like the 320 crews have been getting hammered for a long while, makes me wonder if you took all 300 new hires and put them on the 320 if they'd still be understaffed? I know they said they weren't going to move any more planes into other bases, or at least the 320, but maybe a NYC/ATL 320 base should be explored for no other reason than to grab some more people to increase 320 staffing system wide if they can't get many more pilots to do so in DTW/MSP/MEM- if they don't make the move on this next AE.

This will be an interesting AE I think because the dust has mostly settled and now instead of gambling into a new category we all have a better idea of whats going on and I'm sure planning is really wanting to see how things shake out so that they can, uh, plan. Can I get the understatement award or something here?


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 842367)
I think what they're telling you is that they think November/December will be real busy (look at the dates of the fare sale for guidance) and they'll need some of the August/September pilots to operate the holidays. My guess is the rest are around to support the 270 day training pipeline for inreased 757/767, A320, and MD88/90 conversions on the next AE. If the economy and our industry continue to recover, we will still be understaffed and need to hire more. If it doesn't, then we'll see a less dramatic version of the hiring shutdown in 2008.

I think they're doing a pretty good job being conservative with manning. We didn't furlough during the last downturn. Getting worked hard for a couple of months with all the attendant pilot pay isn't a bad thing, in my view.

I agree here with Slow, which I hope doesn't bring down Slow's credibility. :D

forgot to bid 07-17-2010 10:07 AM

I think the MD-90 would be puddy in the hands of Newk...

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...id/temp-54.jpg

Just like women are in the capable hands of Carl Spackler...
http://christybharath.files.wordpres...ill_murray.jpg

And this stuff is in the hands of FTB...
http://image3.examiner.com/images/bl..._m43a19f36.jpg

acl65pilot 07-17-2010 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 842367)
I think what they're telling you is that they think November/December will be real busy (look at the dates of the fare sale for guidance) and they'll need some of the August/September pilots to operate the holidays. My guess is the rest are around to support the 270 day training pipeline for inreased 757/767, A320, and MD88/90 conversions on the next AE. If the economy and our industry continue to recover, we will still be understaffed and need to hire more. If it doesn't, then we'll see a less dramatic version of the hiring shutdown in 2008.

I think they're doing a pretty good job being conservative with manning. We didn't furlough during the last downturn. Getting worked hard for a couple of months with all the attendant pilot pay isn't a bad thing, in my view.


I agree that it will be busy, but offering a fare sale for that portion is sign of revenue weakness during that portion of the fall.

I do hope the economy keeps improving. I know that in some of the base visits they have been stating that they wanted to wait and see which way the economy went to commit to any further guidance on hiring.

That said, it seems the narrowbody fleets have broke and the GS's are flowing. I see a lot of Rolling Thunder. No quite yet, on the Wide bodies.

I am all for being staffed correctly.

PropNWA 07-17-2010 11:31 AM

Got a pay question for anyone who knows. On your Time Card in iCrew there is a Pay Time column and a Credit column. Are we supposed to be paid by the hours in the Pay Time column (which seems like the obvious answer) or the time in the Credit column? Up until now, both numbers have always been the same but on my most recent check, the Pay time was 81 hours but the Credit time was only 70.9 hours and that's the amount I was paid for. Seems like they may have made a mistake. Anybody?

slowplay 07-17-2010 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 842411)
I agree that it will be busy, but offering a fare sale for that portion is sign of revenue weakness during that portion of the fall.

The sale has blackout dates, but is basically systemwide September 1-November 17. We will be busy after that, which is nice!:)

reddog25 07-17-2010 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by PropNWA (Post 842419)
Got a pay question for anyone who knows. On your Time Card in iCrew there is a Pay Time column and a Credit column. Are we supposed to be paid by the hours in the Pay Time column (which seems like the obvious answer) or the time in the Credit column? Up until now, both numbers have always been the same but on my most recent check, the Pay time was 81 hours but the Credit time was only 70.9 hours and that's the amount I was paid for. Seems like they may have made a mistake. Anybody?

Did you have about 10 hours GS?

acl65pilot 07-17-2010 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 842428)
The sale has blackout dates, but is basically systemwide September 1-November 17. We will be busy after that, which is nice!:)


I know. We will be busy after that. Always are.


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