Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-20-2010, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Nope. It wasn't. They just liked to play games. At least where I was at, ExpressJet. They'd stick you in Durango, CO in blinding snow & then give you an engine fire on departure in icing conditions. Now you're not only dealing with a SE departure in IMC in moutainous terrain, but you need to exit icing conditions because you're SE.
Good times.
Good times.
07-20-2010, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Nothing like waking up @ 0400 to commute in only to have your first turn cancelled. 
07-20-2010, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
You're making me feel a little better. Still, I haven't taken an oral or had hard memory items in years.
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07-20-2010, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Nope. It wasn't. They just liked to play games. At least where I was at, ExpressJet. They'd stick you in Durango, CO in blinding snow & then give you an engine fire on departure in icing conditions. Now you're not only dealing with a SE departure in IMC in moutainous terrain, but you need to exit icing conditions because you're SE.
Good times.
Good times.
07-20-2010, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
I find this very interesting, if not somewhat disturbing. What pilot would shut down their only remaining engine. Was this really a problem?
The instructor will try and put you in a bad situation by acting his/her role as ATC, a F/A, or a pretend jumpseater in your cockpit. I think these use of distractions are invaluable because it helps develop a pilot's ability to prioritize and focus adequately.
This wasn't so much a problem as much as it was a well targeted training learning point.
There has been plenty of accidents where bad prioritization and over miss-focus has snow-balled a minor emergency situation into a full blown accident.
07-20-2010, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
When i went to MSP for bus requal the instructor told us that DELTA stood for,
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07-20-2010, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Nope. It wasn't. They just liked to play games. At least where I was at, ExpressJet. They'd stick you in Durango, CO in blinding snow & then give you an engine fire on departure in icing conditions. Now you're not only dealing with a SE departure in IMC in moutainous terrain, but you need to exit icing conditions because you're SE.
Good times.
Good times.
07-20-2010, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by rvr350
On the MD88/90, the back of the QRH section has a paragraph basically saying the Captain can perform "common sense" action prior to executing memory items if it deems necessary.
Simple scenario. One of your engine has an uncontained severe engine damage at V1, you are now no longer bind by how we were trained and wait until the jet stabilizes and the PF calls for the QRH. The Captain can pull the fire handle when he deems necessary. It was how we trained in my recent CQ. I think it's in the right direction.
I think in order for the crew to be able to do that, you need some system knowledge more than enough to pass the ESV. Don't you think?
Simple scenario. One of your engine has an uncontained severe engine damage at V1, you are now no longer bind by how we were trained and wait until the jet stabilizes and the PF calls for the QRH. The Captain can pull the fire handle when he deems necessary. It was how we trained in my recent CQ. I think it's in the right direction.
I think in order for the crew to be able to do that, you need some system knowledge more than enough to pass the ESV. Don't you think?
07-20-2010, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
Ask for a room! They did this to me the other day, and they ended up putting me up for a few hours at the crown plaza. Subtly mention fatigue and you may bolster your odds. Sorry that happened, good luck.
I'll keep it in mind for next time though.
07-20-2010, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by upndsky
Had a few of those as well. I always figured when they started pulling stuff like that, they had already passed you for the PC. It was just fun and games after that.
Yeah, they liked to have fun with us at CoEx.
Originally Posted by RoughLandings
Apparently you left before Reno became the airport of choice. 9-step SE procedure w/ 3 different VORs (whose frequencies were not initially listed on the 10-7) and no graphical depiction. THAT was fun...or not.
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