Are they NWA guys who volunteered?

My understanding is that they were furloughed guys that bypassed the recall.

I'm not sure of the pay scale.

My guess is that they would go in at whatever the yearly payrate would be at DAL since they are accruing longevity here. However, they are not active DAL pilots so I'm not sure if that means they go in at year 1 rates at Compass. Great question.

Someone posted this earlier in the thread:

"Flowdowns to Compass get paid the lesser of your current Delta longevity or 2nd year CA pay/4th year FO pay."

I'm still a little confused over what that mean but I assume a pilot who is on year 3 would make 2nd year CA pay or 3rd year FO pay, right?

BTW, is there anywhere that has a single copy of the JPWA? I've looked on DALPA and all I can find are bits and pieces, section this and attachment that. It's really hard to find anything because you don't know if it's still applicable. I would love to have the whole document in one single file. If one exists, can you point me to it? Thanks.

Sat,

Did you see my post on age 65?

Another thing you have consider on the furlough issue is the timing. I don’t think They’ll furlough before the summer is done, as they’ll probably need the guys that are on the 88 right now until everyone is converted, which won’t be until July. By that point you might be looking at a recovery starting to take place in the economy (the recession would be 19 months along at that point,) and it would be a little late to start putting pilots on the street and meet the ROFI timeline that keeps getting mentioned.

If you wait until after SOC, that will look suspiciously like you’re furloughing because of the merger, which would start up some legal arguments, not to mention burn all that goodwill they’ve tried to build with the pilot group leading up to the merger. Plus you’re talking about even later in the economic cycle. Also realize that as the economic cycle progresses, and the effects of the age 65 begin to lessen, that opportunities may open up elsewhere, and you risk losing permanently anyone you furlough.

Add to this the fact that the financial execs keep saying we will be "solidly profitable" this year. You burn even more goodwill if you layoff while making money - if that's something they care about.

Of course, they’ll do what they do regardless of what reasoning we apply to it. Right now, doesn’t sound like they’re planning to furlough, but 2 months ago they planned to hire. Plan for the worst, hope for the best, and always have an out.

Very good observation. One thing i've noticed during my short tenure at DL, and my years working closely at FNWA is that, DL cares much more about the corporate image than FNWA. If they have to furlough after SOC, it'd better be a very darn good reason, or they risk a very large, angry, united 11k strong pilot group.

Apparently you weren't around in the early 90s when Delta furloughed and then gladly used the furloughees for hostages during the '96 contract. I'm guessing you also weren't around during the post 2001 furloughs which resulted in a grievance that ALPA won showing that Delta was overstepping their bounds in trying to furlough for Force Majeur (unfortunately the award from arbitrator Bloch was so convoluted that it wan't much of a victory for the affected pilots.)

Point being that if Delta decides it is in their interest to furlough for economic reasons, they will do so.

I'm glad someone is positive about the economy. But, we just had more jobless claims this past month than ever before in history (since they started tracking these statistics). The impact of those jobs being lossed won't be felt for a while. We can't even think about a recovery until the number of jobless rates slows, if not reverses.

We've had 20+ years of spending and no saving or paying off debt in this country and its time to pay the bill. I hope I'm wrong, but I think it will e 5-10 years before we get back on our feet.

-Fatty


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yes, sorry am in Manchester in a snow storm. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. You sound more like a lawyer than me but after years of observation I believe I can spot trends. I am certain this issue will be litigated and the trend seems to be to punitive towards any kind of discrimination, whether real or perceived.