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Old 08-23-2010 | 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by JABDIP
A big part of the problem was that it was being done without you knowing about it. I am all for anything that will help, but it needs to be above board and totally out in the open. Hi, I'm so and so and I'm here to take notes on procedures and how we can improve things. Do you have any suggestions. By the way this can not be used against you in any way. How about that for starters. I think the whole thing could have been handled much better and certainly in a much higher professional manner. Had it been done right it would not ba a topic on here.
There was not a single pilot spied on at Delta or notes taken in secret. Again its all complete and utter BS. There is all a very bad rumor. Find one pilot who has been called in and had to discuss something from secret notes!
There are a few pilots who simply like to fan the flames. They enjoy it, its what they do. We have some in the south and they have some in the north. They will start, repeat and change every rumor to suit their needs.
We have always had periodic ride along programs at Delta. Its a great safety tool and non punitive and not once has ever been punitive. The audits are normally done after major changes. Think we have had some of those? They always state who they are and why they are on the jumpseat.
As far as the ride along program for the 757 NW guys again it was all above board. No secret notes or anything else. They were placed on the aircraft as a asset to the crew. Nothing more. One rumor was there was a 47 page checklist the secret riders were filling out on the NW's crews. Funny the TOE guide has 47 pages and would be something a pilot assisting would have and keep out during the flight.
Being paranoid is a tough way to live your life. Some want to make a career of it and steering up trouble. I had 2 NW pilots show up to ride on my jump seat. Oh my god! They must be there to spy on me!!! OMG. They are after me!!! Opps oh not really. They are just trying to get a feel for Africa ops before the 330 flew there. Great guys and no black helicopters.
Think when you pass on a stupid rumor!!!!
Old 08-23-2010 | 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Loud and clear.
Thanks. Test out.
Old 08-23-2010 | 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by DFW Refugee
Just a guess, but if a name/base happened to pop up, the SECRET/LIMDIS/B.F'r/Neidermeier stuff would cease...PRONTO!
Don't forget NOFORN...
Old 08-23-2010 | 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
There was not a single pilot spied on at Delta or notes taken in secret. Again its all complete and utter BS. There is all a very bad rumor. Find one pilot who has been called in and had to discuss something from secret notes!
There are a few pilots who simply like to fan the flames. They enjoy it, its what they do. We have some in the south and they have some in the north. They will start, repeat and change every rumor to suit their needs.
We have always had periodic ride along programs at Delta. Its a great safety tool and non punitive and not once has ever been punitive. The audits are normally done after major changes. Think we have had some of those? They always state who they are and why they are on the jumpseat.
As far as the ride along program for the 757 NW guys again it was all above board. No secret notes or anything else. They were placed on the aircraft as a asset to the crew. Nothing more. One rumor was there was a 47 page checklist the secret riders were filling out on the NW's crews. Funny the TOE guide has 47 pages and would be something a pilot assisting would have and keep out during the flight.
Being paranoid is a tough way to live your life. Some want to make a career of it and steering up trouble. I had 2 NW pilots show up to ride on my jump seat. Oh my god! They must be there to spy on me!!! OMG. They are after me!!! Opps oh not really. They are just trying to get a feel for Africa ops before the 330 flew there. Great guys and no black helicopters.
Think when you pass on a stupid rumor!!!!
I had a direct converstaion with 757A who had no idea who the guy was and what he was doing. Only when he(ride along guy) went to the biffy did they discover the note taking and notes form the previous 30 days because the guy left his book there for eyes to see. Needless to say he was not real happy about the situation. I don't call that a stupid rumor. I'm sure that there was good intent with this program, however I think that possibly a few individuals administered it poorly. If you call that fanning the flames then so be it. I suppose that if you did not like something that was happening on your flight deck you would just accept it and move on because you would not want to make any waves and fan the flames. Personally I have no problems with the idea of this program, just they way it was done by some.

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Old 08-23-2010 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by JABDIP
Not trying to trash anyone just repeating the message I heard. Probably not very reliable but I did hear it. I'm sure there is a lot of miss information out there.
Good idea... thanks for passing it along anyway. Do you work for ABC news by chance? With that kind of disclaimer/credibility, you should rise quickly there.
Old 08-23-2010 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Good idea... thanks for passing it along anyway. Do you work for ABC news by chance? With that kind of disclaimer/credibility, you should rise quickly there.

Actually I think that'd get you up the ranks even faster with FOX News. After all, they are 'Fair and Balanced'
Old 08-23-2010 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Actually I think that'd get you up the ranks even faster with FOX News. After all, they are 'Fair and Balanced'
Yeah whatever.. I suppose. I'm not a fan of them either FWIW. It's hard not to be intrigued by the low cut outfits that their talking heads wear though.. although I would guess they are primarily there to tease all the male viewers... Sex sells right? That being said.. I DO believe there is less bias on FOX than there is on katie couric.
Old 08-23-2010 | 09:05 AM
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Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) announced new seasonal service between Tampa International Airport and Cancun, Mexico, starting Feb. 19, 2011.

The service will operate on Saturdays, using 142-seat MD-88 aircraft equipped with 14 seats in First Class and 128 in Economy.

Delta also is adding service between Cancun and San Antonio and Austin, Texas, and Columbus, Ohio, the company said in a statement.

Delta is the sixth carrier to offer the Tampa-Cancun connection since the 1980s. The most recent carrier, JetBlue, cancelled service to the resort in 2009 when a swine flu outbreak in Mexico tamped down Tampa travel demand.

Delta’s new flights to Cancun build on the airline’s expanded presence in Latin America. The carrier has plans for new flights between its hub at Minneapolis-St. Paul and Mexico City and new service between its Detroit hub and Sao Paulo, Brazil.

Read more: Delta schedules Cancun flights from Tampa - Tampa Bay Business Journal
Old 08-23-2010 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by JABDIP
I had a direct converstaion with 757A who had no idea who the guy was and what he was doing. Only when he(ride along guy) went to the biffy did they discover the note taking and notes form the previous 30 days because the guy left his book there for eyes to see. Needless to say he was not real happy about the situation. I don't call that a stupid rumor. I'm sure that there was good intent with this program, however I think that possibly a few individuals administered it poorly. If you call that fanning the flames then so be it. I suppose that if you did not like something that was happening on your flight deck you would just accept it and move on because you would not want to make any waves and fan the flames. Personally I have no problems with the idea of this program, just they way it was done by some.
So, what you're saying is that, when the guy went to the head, they took the liberty to go digging around in his personal property? THe only way to "discover" he had 30 days of notes was to pick up the book and read it, not just look at the opened page.

While this may just be a poorly implemented ride along program, I think there are more serious implications involved when fellow crew members feel that they have the right to pilfer another's bag. That to me sets up a bad situation. I have to fly a flight tomorrow with two fNWAs. Do I need to take all my stuff with me when I go on break? Do I have to assure them I'm no "spy," but some poor dumb schmuck of a reserve pilot who got tagged to fly with them?

All this rumormomgering does is prolong the divisiveness and distrust/discord that will dimminish our collective effectiveness to stand up to management come 2012. Makes me wonder what the ulterior motive is for those who continue to promote it.




For the record, I could care less if someone wants to peruse my flightbag. All I ask is that if you take the time to go through it, please finish my Jepp revisions while you're there. Thanks.
Old 08-23-2010 | 09:19 AM
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I wonder if I'll ever figure out the RUO from Section 23?

Thought for sure I'd get a 2 day tomorrow because I'm good for exactly 2 days, but since they already assigned me SC it went to a guy in the 3 day bucket because he is on LC today. Man I'm so confused.
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